[leps-talk] RE: Anaea andria and Asterocampa clyton

[Grkovich, Alex]

Two things:

1. Are there, in anyone's opinion/experience, any differences between The
Goatweed Butterfly (*Anaea andria*) from the mid-south (i.e. Texas to
Tennessee), and the southwest (Arizona)?

2. I have previously written about how Hackberry Emperors (*Asterocampa
celtis*) from the lower Ohio River Valley (i.e. near Dayton, Ohio) resemble
the Texas subspecies *antonia*...Specimens that I have, however, from
Columbus, Ohio (less than 100 miles east-northeast of Dayton, are however,
"normal" northern *celtis*...The same can be said for the Tawny Emperor (*A.
clyton*) as well...Specimens of *A. c. texana* that I took last weekend in
west San Antonio and at Hondo Creek (Medina Co., along Rt. 90 - where by the
way, the Janais Patch [*C. janais*] also occurs abundantly) are in fact much
like many of those in my collection from near Dayton... This is a long way
up the Mississippi/Ohio River Valley for the southern (or southwestern)
influence to occur...And apparently, the region near Dayton in southwestern
Ohio represents the northern limits of this phenomenon...

Anyone noticed this? 

Alex 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Grkovich, Alex [SMTP:agrkovich at tmpeng.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:31 PM
> To:	'Mark Walker'; woody.woods at umb.edu; tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com;
> leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> Subject:	RE: [leps-talk] RE: The onset of winter.
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Got home rather late last night...Weather was messy, with a lot of rain
> and
> clouds, but a few breaks did produce some interesting records...
> 
> We drove over to Concan (Uvalde Co.) and hiked/collected at the Bird
> Sanctuary, and along Rt. 127 @ 3.7 mi. south of town) last Sunday...Among
> the species either vouchered or observed were the following: GIANT
> SWALLOWTAIL (female ovipositing on what I believe was prickly ash),
> PIPEVINE
> SWALLOWTAIL (abundant), LARGE ORANGE SULPHUR (including white females),
> LYSIDE SULPHUR, WHITE STRIPED LONG TAILED SKIPPER (abundant again, as I've
> consistently found on visits to San Antonio et environs), GULF FRITILLARY,
> DUSKY-BLUE GROUNDSTREAK, LITTLE YELLOW, SLEEPY ORANGE, BORDERED PATCH,
> TAWNY
> EMPEROR, etc. I also looked hard among the cedars for *M. gryneus
> castalis*
> vs. *siva*, to see just what the taxon looks like here, but did not see or
> flush them out (possibly on one occasion along Rt. 127 but I am not sure
> as
> I lost the fast flying small Lycaenid, whatever it was, mainly due to the
> cloudiness - they're hard to follow when there's no sun...)
> 
> "Significant finds at Concan and along Rt. 127 south of the Frio River
> included (what I believe is) COYOTE CLOUDYWING, MIMOSA YELLOW, and TEXAN
> WOOD NYMPH. The MIMOSA YELLOW (*nise*) is quite distinct in appearance
> from
> LITTLE YELLOW (lisa), both in appearance and in behavior and also
> habitat...Clear yellow (almost) below, no basal VHW black spots, reduced
> black borders etc. They definitely stay inside the forest understory, and
> have a slower, more jerky flight than does lisa...The TEXAN WOOD NYMPH
> (*C.
> p. texana*) is HUGE...I have taken this before in Wichita Falls, TX and in
> San Antonio (1985 and 1991 respectively)...but THIS one almost looked like
> brown bird flying up from a cedar bush...Magnificent...Too bad I couldn't
> voucher it...
> 
> At Hondo Creek (east of Hondo, Medina Co. on Hwy. 90), to the south of the
> bridge, a quick half-hour visit produced a VICEROY (ssp. *watsonii*),
> TAWNY
> EMPERORS, BORDERED PATCH, FATAL METALMARK, JANAIS and BORDERED PATCHES,
> (thousands of) CLOUDED SKIPPERS (yuck - I'm sick of these), GRAY
> HAIRSTREAK,
> and a few other things including DESERT CHECKERED SKIPPERS...But
> overlooked
> included LEILIA EMPERORS and GOATWEED EMPERORS (which I did see in scrub
> in
> west San Antonio...), the WHITE SKIPPERS etc. etc....
> 
> SOUTHERN DOG FACES were also everywhere as expected...	
> 
> I made a run up to the San Antonio Ranch near Helotes...there is good
> habitat in this area with a good diversity of species...A favorite spot on
> Lagos Vista Rd. where there is extensive orange lantana was checked, but
> heavy clouds and cool temps (less than 75F) produced almost nothing...It
> is
> possible that the Silver Banded Hairstreak occurs here...I netted a small
> greenish Hairstreak here in late Nov. 2002 and it escaped...The host is
> present but I have never seen this thing again...
> 
> Not found on the visit at all were Satyrs...including RED, CAROLINA AND
> GEMMED SATYRS; despite the fact that I believe I had checkedout good
> locales
> for all of them...I also have not seen - since July 1985 at Wichita Falls
> -
> in Texas is the MEXICAN SULPHUR (*E. mexicana*)...strange because I've
> been
> down there now in three successive autumn seasons...
> 
> It's good to have good friends of one's Assistant in select places such as
> south-central Texas...one should pray for the continued health of these
> friends...
> 
> Once again, I apologize for not contacting my Texas buddies while down
> there...one of these times, I promise...meanwhile I have to brush up on my
> pool shot...Sorry, also for not providing scientific names...I'm too busy
> here at the office and maybe too lazy...
> 
> Alex
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mark Walker [SMTP:mwalker at tils-ttr.org]
> > Sent:	Monday, October 04, 2004 12:07 AM
> > To:	woody.woods at umb.edu; tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com;
> > leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> > Subject:	RE: [leps-talk] RE: The onset of winter.
> > 
> > 
> > Woody wrote:
> > 
> > >Mark, you ought to pay Alex a visit while you're in the neighborhood
> and
> > do
> > a P. rapae count in his back yard. It might give him a break from his
> > gardening responsibilities
> > 
> > Ha! Actually, I DID pay Alex a visit. We drank coffee and looked over
> some
> > of his bugs. I counted rapae the next day, but Alex went on to San
> > Antonio,
> > where he's hoping to count Papilio anchisiades.  Good luck Alex!
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu]On
> > Behalf Of Woody Woods
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 6:50 PM
> > To: Mark Walker; tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com; leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> > Subject: Re: [leps-talk] RE: The onset of winter.
> > 
> > 
> > M...  -Woody
> > 
> > > From: "Mark Walker" <mwalker at tils-ttr.org>
> > > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:35:57 -0700
> > > To: <tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com>, <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
> > > Subject: [leps-talk] RE: The onset of winter.
> > >
> > >
> > > Todd Stout once wrote that, because of burnout from the long
> collecting
> > > season out west, he tends to give up on local lepping sometime in
> > August.
> > I
> > > know exactly what he's talking about, and have relatively few
> specimens
> > from
> > > places I've lived with dates after late July.  That was even true
> during
> > my
> > > years in Vermont, where the collecting season didn't even get started
> > until
> > > mid-May.  I did very little collecting in August or September, and I
> > missed
> > > a few great bugs on account of it.
> > >
> > > Of course, things totally change when you get to go someplace other
> than
> > > where you live during the Autumn months.  I've been blessed to visit
> > > Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Texas, Florida,
> Mexico,
> > > Jamaica, Puerto Rico, and even Malaysia during the Autumn months - and
> > I've
> > > never had any trouble swinging my net as a visitor.
> > >
> > > Back home in San Diego, I've really been dragging my feet the past few
> > > months = and our season is not yet over there.  I often snoose as the
> > fall
> > > broods begin flying in California.  But now I find myself on the
> eastern
> > > coast of the United States, where the fall has already set in, and
> I've
> > > found the urge to look for butterflies simply irresistable.  I wonder
> > what
> > > that is all about?
> > >
> > > So on Saturday under cloudy skies I explored some wild areas in
> southern
> > > Rhode Island, and today, with a cooling trend setting in, I hiked some
> > > trails in New Jersey's Pinelands under mostly sunny skies.  While the
> > > specimens encountered are all considered "junk" bugs, I still found it
> > > fulfilling to be out swinging a net and examining what might be
> > > participating in the last flight here.
> > >
> > > Next weekend I'm looking forward to visiting Ron in South Carolina.
> Ron
> > > admitted that he didn't do much local collecting this late in the
> > season,
> > > but since I'm a visitor and am therefore not bored by the _local_
> > > collecting, I'll do my best to drag his butt out into the bushes -
> well,
> > you
> > > know what I mean.  I'll also have to show him the Phyciodes that I
> took
> > from
> > > New Jersey, since I now have no idea how to id them };>)
> > >
> > > Kingston, R.I. - 10/2
> > >
> > > Colias philodice
> > > Colias eurytheme
> > > Pieris rapae
> > > Lycaena phlaeas
> > > Everes comyntas
> > > Nymphalis antiopa
> > > Polygonia comma
> > >
> > > New Lisbon, N.J. - 10/3
> > >
> > > Colias eurytheme
> > > Phyciodes tharos?
> > > Pieris rapae
> > > Everes comyntas
> > > Junonia coenia
> > > Pyrgus communis
> > >
> > > Mark Walker
> > > visiting Edison, N.J.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu]On
> > > Behalf Of Neil Jones
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 7:31 AM
> > > To: tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com; leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> > > Subject: The onset of winter.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Season of mists and mellow fruitfullness" that is how one poet
> > described
> > a
> > > British autumn. Well he didn't live where I do. Here in South Wales we
> > say
> > > that if we can see the English coast across the sea it is going to
> rain.
> > If
> > > we cannot it is because it is raining. It rains a lot here, in Welsh
> we
> > have
> > > to use the word for "to strike" to say it is raining. Today I cannot
> > even
> > > see
> > > the nearby mountains. Winter is fast approaching.  I rather suspect he
> > poet
> > > had consumed the brewed products of the mellow fruit before writing
> the
> > > poem.
> > >
> > > Last week however was a different story. A trip down to Dorset in the
> > sunny
> > > south of England was a little better. At Butterfly Conservation's HQ
> in
> > > Lulworth,  haunt of the rare Lulworth Skipper, the small butterfly
> > garden
> > > was
> > > full of fluttering life. Painted Ladies and Red Admirals abounded and
> we
> > > were
> > > able to watch a Hornet eating a hoverfly. One of my colleagues had the
> > > foresight to bring his digital SLR camera and was able to take some
> > > pictures.
> > >
> > > The highlight for me was the Hummingbird Hawkmoth (Macroglossum
> > > stellatarum).
> > > on the Buddleia. This is a migrant from Europe and although it isn't
> > that
> > > rare I had never seen one in the UK until 2003. Just bad luck I
> suppose.
> > >
> > > This was my second specimen seen  of the year. The earlier one being
> at
> > the
> > > National Botanic Garden of Wales
> > >
> > > There are some lovely poetic names for butterflies in Welsh.  The
> > > Comma( Polygonia c-album) is "Adain Garpiog"  (Ragged Wings) and the
> > Ringlet
> > > ( Aphantopus hyperanthus) is "Iar fach y glaw" (The little hen of the
> > rain
> > > or
> > > rain butterfly) It will fly in the rain which is rather a necessity
> > living
> > > here, or at least it feels that way today.
> > >
> > > Perhaps our friends from warmer climes can entertain us with sightings
> > from
> > > places where the cold wet of winter does not dampen the enthusiasm.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.butterflyguy.com/
> > > "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
> > > butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn
> Bog
> > > National Nature Reserve.
> > >
> > >
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