Do insects feel pain?
Nick Greatorex-Davies
ngd at ceh.ac.uk
Mon May 23 14:22:08 EDT 2005
Hello Doug and all,
Many thanks for all your replies so far. I was discussing this issue
with a colleague, himself a zoologist, on the way home this evening and
he specifically mentioned the lack of signs of distress in invertebrates
that have been damaged as an indication that they did not feel pain - at
least not in the way we understand it.
I would still be interested in specific references on work that has been
done relating to this issue. I don't remember specific references when
this was discussed a few years ago. Perhaps I need to search the Leps-L
archive! Any further thoughts or insights would also be welcome.
Many thanks once again.
Nick
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>>> Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> 05/23/05 6:12 PM >>>
>What we call our 'pain receptors' are heat receptors, pressure
>receptors etc. Insects have lots of similar receptors.
Actually, vertebrates do have specific receptors for pain, and
special neural pathways to transmit these signals, not shared by
insects; if insects feel pain using "similar" receptors, it is not
pain as WE experience it, and probably not even very "similar,"
regardless. This is trivially seen if you compare what happens to a
vertebrate if it has a limb removed traumatically versus an insect
with a limb similarly removed. Both react violently at the moment of
trauma, but they act quite differently once the direct stimulus is
gone. A vertebrate writhes in agony for a very long time, and is
largely incapacitated simply due to pain. An insect goes about its
business, and alters its gait to accommodate the missing limb, but
shows very little outward sign of distress.
I can personally attest to the necessity of pain receptors (as
opposed to pressure or temperature receptors) in generating the
classic vertebrate reaction, having had a neurological episode which
cut off the pain pathways in one of my legs below the knee - I can
still feel physical contact, just as sensitively as ever, but I
cannot distinguish, say, pressure applied by a pencil tip versus
pressure applied by a needle; *neither* is painful to me. I can also
tell when something is at a temperature extreme, but not whether it's
too hot or too cold, nor does it feel painful (I'm still waiting for
an opportunity to win a bar bet by standing on burning coals, on just
my left foot, longer than someone else can do the same).
Interestingly, I still do have normal reflex responses, but without
experiencing the usual pain. Given this (i.e., that the whole "pain"
thing in our own system can so easily be thrown off), I find it
impossible to believe that insects could feel pain the way we do
unless they had EXACTLY the same nervous system, and they clearly do
not. I rather expect that they experience stimuli the way my left
foot does - pressure and temperature register, and can provoke
responses and reflexes, but do not induce *pain*.
Peace,
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Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research
Museum
Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521-0314
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