(Citheronia. regalis in NY)

Michael Gochfeld gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu
Tue Nov 2 06:37:55 EDT 2010

I have only casually followed the thread on Citheronia, but curiosity got the best of me. 
I checked out the BAMONA web site and map for NY and noted a hole in Westchester County. 
When I was a day camp nature counselor in Northern Westchester County (Mohegan Lake area) in the mid 1950s, I on one occasion found a larval C.regalis.  It made a great "demonstration" as every kid had to see the Hickory Horned Devil. 
I don't remember the details except it didn't eat and it pupated (within a week), and like many other exhibits it sat out the summer and was then "released"  .
I lived and visited in the area for another 20+ years and never saw the adult (nor another larva).  Moreover, the only large moth that we saw regularly in the early 1950s Antheraea_polyphemus/ <http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/A/Antheraea_polyphemus/>  seemed to have disappeared by the end of the 1960.  I had documented the disappearance of several conspicuous butterfly species attributed, I believe to the summerlong, weekly mosquito fogging of the community. 
Anyway this constitutes a hypothetical record for Westchester County.  I'm sure there are photographs somewhere.  I'll keep an eye open for them. 
Michael Gochfeld gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu


From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu on behalf of citheronia at aol.com
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 11:36 PM
To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
Subject: RE: Stop Please (C. regalis in NY)

Roughly 15 years ago I was walking a path alongside an apple orchard and encountered a fifth instar C. regalis larva on a Black Walnut tree in Hannibal, NY (Oswego County). In all my time of running lights in the same area, however, I've never encountered an adult. Although it was probably a fluke, perhaps the result of a storm-blown female, it is nice to think that they may occur naturally up here.
Randy Lyttle
North Rose, NY 

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From: Wagner, David <david.wagner at uconn.edu>
To: hmcguinness at ross.org <hmcguinness at ross.org>; Leps List <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Fri, Oct 29, 2010 2:06 pm
Subject: RE: Stop Please

The last place that Eacles imperialis is holding on in Massachusetts is on Martha's Vineyard-where thousands are in residence-an island.   Jeff Boettner at UMass is looking at Compsilura as a potential explanation.  He has some preliminary data I believe, based on sentinel larvae.
I recently had Eacles imperialis in the Clintonville pine barrens in upstate New York.  The moth occurs over a broadly elliptical area from Clintonville to Hero, Vermont (on Lake Champlain).  

From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Leps List
Subject: Stop Please
I know Leps-list is supposed to mimic the wild west, but can we stop this non-productive commentary about Monarch Watch and get back to the biology of Leps? Here are some threads I'd personally love to see discussed:

1. Anybody have some really exciting finds this past season?
2. Anybody noting any range expansions?
3. Anybody find any new exotic species this season?
4. Any undescribed species uncovered in your neck of the woods? 

I'll start:

In July I found Eacles imperialis at Montauk Long Island (NY) for only the second time ever away from Shelter Island, where the species still thrives. A little later in the month I also found 3 Citheronia regalis at Montauk, the first time I have ever had multiple individuals on Long Island. This species also only occurs on Shelter Island and at Montauk. For both of these species, I believe that these populations are the only ones that remain in the state, although Eacles may hang on in the Adirondacks.

Here's my question. Shelter Island is an island and Montauk is island-like being separated from the rest of Long Island by the open and scrubby Napeague isthmus. All of the other Saturniidae are more abundant in these two places than on the rest of LI. This has caused me to speculate that perhaps Saturniids persist here because of freedom from parasitoids, particularly from Compsilura. So my question is this: are there other islands on which Saturniids show increased abundance? And, is there any data about islands (or specific habitats) that offer relief from parasitoid loads in Saturniids?


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman at hotmail.com> wrote:

I don't know if Monarch Watch is an up and up conservation/environmental organization or not but it is true that many so-called environmental organizations are basically just liberal democratic party lobbying groups with a top concern of providing good jobs for their staff. That becomes pretty obvious when you look at the refusal of "environmental" groups such as the Sierra Club, The Wilderness Society, the National Wildlife Federation, and the League of Conservation Voters to advocate the control of human population growth in the United States. Liberal Democratic Elites, their patrons, would not like then doing that.

Roger Kuhlman
Ann Arbor, Michigan

> On 27/10/2010 20:11, Grkovich, Alex wrote:
> Send money, right?
> Not a chance...
> What is the matter Alex? Been sniffing the anaesthetic again? :-)
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