[Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon

[Roger Kuhlman]

Oh sorry Jim and the Leps audience I did not see Jim's argument about the Passenger Pigeon before making my post about the same thing. Jim has made some very important points to consider. Roger Kuhlman
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Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon
From: papaipema at aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:37:52 -0500

 In the 1880's they said the same thing about Passenger Pigeons. It has been estimated that they (only 50 years earlier) were in numbers so large that there were as many of them as there were all other birds combined. I will wager green money if we were not here, they still would be. Anyone that believes we cannot possibly cause they extinction of any butterfly is probably never going to be swayed otherwise, I would rather err on the side of caution. And, speaking from one of the most farmed states in the U.S., I can tell you there is quite a drop in weeds of all kinds, nothing but rank grasses grow in our ditches now......nothing. If it were not for a few shielded natural areas and the efforts of some diligent individuals to save something, they would have no where or reason to be here. We need the other forms of life on this planet to survive, nothing needs us. We should really evaluate our perception of self worth as a species.

 


Jim Wiker


Greenview, Illinois








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From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman at hotmail.com>

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Clearly the extinction of both the eastern and western Monarch migrations are possible, so concern about migrating Monarch populations is reasonable and something that needs to be tracked closely.

 

Roger Kuhlman


Ann Arbor, Michigan

 








Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:17:28 -0800

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"Send money"...


 


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From: Paul Cherubini <monarch at saber.net>

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Here's a 26 second excerpt of Dr. Chip Taylor's fairly recent 

(Nov. 17, 2012) one hour speech at the 2nd Annual Quimby

F. Hess Lecture at the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) in 

Toronto, Canada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZXGRZMrsDU



If you want to view the whole 57 minute presentation 

you can see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNTsL4rnUj0



Paul Cherubini

El Dorado, Calif.





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