[Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon

[Stan Gorodenski]

I hope everyone didn't get four copies of this. I had expected two but 
got four. I will have to contact Larry Gall to have one of the email 
addresses removed. Doug can see my ASU alumni address, but all I see is 
the commspeed address. The alumni address is supposed to be deactivated 
by ASU.
Stan

On 2/16/2013 3:26 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
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> On 2/16/2013 2:22 PM, Chuck Vaughn wrote:
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>> Stan,
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>>>> Chip, Jim,
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>>>> I'd like to start out by saying I am not a "denier," a term I dislike because of its obvious connection to the Holocaust, but used exactly because of that. Humans have made huge land use changes and this has led to the decline of some species largely through habitat loss. Although I'm sure you can find some people who would not agree with that, I'll bet the majority would agree.
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>>>> Further though and here's the difference and my key point, I'll bet that there is a much larger group of people, perhaps the majority even, that would disagree with you that this is a problem. I know you think it is a problem and you probably think anyone who disagrees with you are crazy, nuts, head in the sand, can't see the big picture or whatever term you care to apply to them. But they probably think the same of you. People have different priorities in their lives. Personally I'm somewhere in the middle. I think anyone who thinks there are no changes or that those changes have no impact at all are extreme in their views. I also think that those that hold the view that anything environment should take precedence over human needs in all cases are extreme in their views.
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>>> I think in the context of unlimited
>>> population growth, the idea that human needs takes precedence is
>>> equivalent to justifying the natural world as we know it to feed or make
>>> living more pleasurable a thing of the past. What you advocate would be
>>> sort of like Isaac Asimov's planet Trantor where the entire surface of
>>> the planet is nothing but structures to house people.
>>>
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>> If nothing else, I wish people would actually read what I wrote and not put their own spin on it. Did I say anything about population growth, let alone unlimited population growth, or did I advocate it? No.
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> Chuck,
> I know you didn't say anything about population growth and I did read
> what you actually wrote. I think you do not see my point.
> Stan
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