[Leps-l] Deniers

Stan Gorodenski stanlep at commspeed.net
Sat Feb 16 23:35:21 EST 2013


Patrick,
Regarding anthropomorphic climate change (ACC) deniers. I had some 
personal experience where someone approached me, in email, about a paper 
they wanted me to read. It was presented in such a way as to give the 
impression that it was just an interesting paper they wanted me to read 
and to get my reaction. However, I knew this person was a ACC denier and 
his ulterior motive was to give me a paper that to him showed how right 
he was and how wrong I was. I read it and discovered some serious flaws 
in the analysis and data. I presented this to him - and then heard 
nothing more about it. He still is a ACC denier, though. It appears that 
when something detracts from the beliefs of some individuals, it is 
ignored. If it supports their beliefs, it is remembered. This goes along 
with your idea that deniers do not question their own belief system and 
what motivates them.
Stan

On 2/16/2013 9:10 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
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> On 2/16/2013 8:16 PM, Foley, Patrick wrote:
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>> Count me (and the great majority of atmospheric scientists) among the climate change alarmists.
>>
>> This is however not my area of expertise. Paul should go argue this out with NOAA scientists. Or any atmospheric scientists.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve
>>
>> Skepticism in science is a very useful tool. But one should be skeptical of ones own views also. Nietzsche said once " The courage of one's convictions -- a common error; real courage is questioning one's own convictions." Scientists (including climate change "alarmists") do this all the time. That is the essence of science. As far as I can see, most climate change deniers do not question their own belief systems or what motivates them.
>>
>>      
> Good point. This never occurred to me. I wonder if climate change
> deniers even know themselves what motivates them. I can see all kinds of
> influences, including the political and religious group one belongs to.
> I also wonder if it is the culture of anti-science that is fostering
> this. The deniers are intelligent. Because of the anti-science culture
> they make their own interpretations of data in lieu of those of scientists.
> Stan
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