From rkuhlman at hotmail.com Tue Feb 1 15:35:35 2022 From: rkuhlman at hotmail.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:35:35 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down In-Reply-To: References: <443887839.469502.1643478410936@bellsouth.net> <0e1ac3db-9793-62b8-45f3-fcb818b1a22c@aurinia.co.uk> <1401116927.606708.1643524762722@bellsouth.net> <139763222.447747.1643611948005@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Indeed Human Overpopulation and Human Overdevelopment in both Rio Grande valley and most other parts of America is terrible. Why are so many leftist Democrats refusing to do much of anything about facing and defeating these awful scrouges of biodiversity, native ecosystems, and natural habitats in America and Worldwide. The current Great Species Extinction rolls on and gathers steam. CRT and Open Borders Immigration policies are not helping in the least Environmentally. Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan Where natural habitats and butterfly biodiversity is hurting badly. ________________________________ From: on behalf of Michael Gochfeld Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 4:17 PM To: Anne Kilmer ; Dana, Robert (DNR) ; Metzler, Eric H. ; Neil Jones ; leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down I am deeply saddened by the landgrab in The Valley and the threats to Sanctuary staff. Threats are cheap but devastating andn stressful, and all to often followed by action. I think Joyce Kilmer and THE TREE are gentler topics as we lament a gentler time. This URL indicates Rutgers Claim to the inspiring tree, but also mentions Alex Michelin's sleuthing and the Mahwah connection. I've been at Rutgers only since 1980, long after the KILMER OAK was surgically removed. I dobut if today anyone knows the story, although even the fresh-ones who look so young will have learned the poem. But if the tree-site and its offspring have nothing to do with inspiration, they are a fitting monument to a great mann and a great Rutgers alumnus. Anne do you still have your parrot. Tiko was at least 66 years old when he passed away. MIKE GOCHFELD https://dailytargum.com/article/2013/09/kilmer-oak-trees-anniversary-stirs-local-lore-on-notable-poet [https://dailytargum.imgix.net/images/6872be2e-878a-4bed-9d37-357399324b62.jpg?auto=compress&crop=faces&fit=crop&fm=jpg&height=640&width=1200] Kilmer Oak Tree?s anniversary stirs local lore on notable poet | The Daily Targum The Kilmer Oak Tree was cut down 50 years ago yesterday, taking with it many layers of local lore surrounding the notable poet Joyce Kilmer, who was born and raised in New Brunswick. Following his graduation from Rutgers Preparatory School, Kilmer attended Rutgers University from 1904 to 1906. dailytargum.com ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Anne Kilmer Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 1:52 AM To: Dana, Robert (DNR) ; Metzler, Eric H. ; Neil Jones ; leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down As well to stay away from politics except where it assaults the butterflies. My computer tells me that at 1:30 a.m. it is 59F and sunny. South Florida, the former may be true. Trust, but verify. Live long and prosper, my friends. In the south of Texas, my friend tells me, the hummingbirds come to her feeders; the two that aren?t frozen. She has a fine assortment of butterflies. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Dana, Robert (DNR) Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 10:57 PM To: Metzler, Eric H.; Neil Jones; Anne Kilmer; leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down Sound advice, Eric. But I don?t think of Yeats? poem as sarcasm--but a cry of anguish. From: Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 4:20 PM To: Neil Jones ; Anne Kilmer ; Dana, Robert (DNR) Subject: Re: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down This message may be from an external email source. Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center. We need to be careful with the sarcastic comments. Those words will be picked up as direct quotes attributable to us. I have experience with this sort of thing working with hostile groups when I was employed by the ODNR. Please Keep the sarcasm private, preferably spoken and not in print anywhere. >From southern NM where the butterflies on every sunny day all winter long. From: Leps-l > on behalf of Neil Jones > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 8:34 AM To: Anne Kilmer >; Dana, Robert (DNR) >; leps-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Leps-l] QAnon Conspiracy Theorists Force Butterfly Sanctuary to Shut Down External Email - Exercise Caution On 30/01/2022 06:39, Anne Kilmer wrote: The iguanas are having a bad night. They will recover. Our conviction is firm and glorious and we know our goals. 38F by morning in my bit of South Florida. Vaxxed and boosted, with pleasant plans for the day. Flying here, Zebra longwings, Julias, Giant swallowtails and the sun will come up tomorrow. There are always fools, and we need not let them drive the bus. Well put Anne, but the problem is that people DO let fools drive the bus. To parody your grandfather's famous poem one of those fools could, if he had the necessary ability, write I think that I shall never see A man who's cleverer than me I'll show I'm cleverest of all I'll build a great enormous wall. For people who don't get this reference here is a wikipedia reference to the poem Anne's grandfather wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trees_(poem) Neil Jones -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AA2DDC230CEE416F8B24C58FB73A0B59.png Type: image/png Size: 144 bytes Desc: AA2DDC230CEE416F8B24C58FB73A0B59.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems that quite properly people have been disassociating themselves from these crazy beliefs. Neil Jones On 03/02/2022 03:46, Mike Quinn wrote: > more on the National Butterfly Center closure from the Houston > Chronicle: > https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/legislature/article/National-Butterfly-Center-closes-for-weekend-16814973.php > > > Mike Quinn, Austin > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Leps-l mailing list > Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From viceroy at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 3 08:58:29 2022 From: viceroy at bellsouth.net (Anne Kilmer) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Leps-l] National Butterfly Center closure update In-Reply-To: <45f2b0dd-1741-e83a-6dd2-909231d64602@aurinia.co.uk> References: <45f2b0dd-1741-e83a-6dd2-909231d64602@aurinia.co.uk> Message-ID: <1845978769.189742.1643896715649@bellsouth.net> Things are bad here. One of the groundhogs died and now we can?t even predict the weather. Pandemic and February exhaustion. And the last Drumpf. Brexit, Brexit. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Neil Jones Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:47 AM To: leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Leps-l] National Butterfly Center closure update Thank you Mike. It seems that quite properly people have been disassociating themselves from these crazy beliefs. Neil Jones On 03/02/2022 03:46, Mike Quinn wrote: more on the National Butterfly Center closure from the Houston Chronicle: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/legislature/article/National-Butterfly-Center-closes-for-weekend-16814973.php Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From voiceofthefair at gmail.com Thu Feb 3 10:10:29 2022 From: voiceofthefair at gmail.com (Steve Plumb) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 10:10:29 -0500 Subject: [Leps-l] National Butterfly Center closure update In-Reply-To: <45f2b0dd-1741-e83a-6dd2-909231d64602@aurinia.co.uk> References: <45f2b0dd-1741-e83a-6dd2-909231d64602@aurinia.co.uk> Message-ID: <74970478-2B4B-46A2-861B-C7332BD9AEB6@gmail.com> And thankfully Kimberly Lowe is no longer in theVirginia Republican primary. Withdrawn or disqualified candidates ? Kimberly Nadine Lowe (R) https://ballotpedia.org/Kimberly_Nadine_Lowe > On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Neil Jones wrote: > > Thank you Mike. It seems that quite properly people have been disassociating themselves from these crazy beliefs. > > Neil Jones > On 03/02/2022 03:46, Mike Quinn wrote: >> more on the National Butterfly Center closure from the Houston Chronicle: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/legislature/article/National-Butterfly-Center-closes-for-weekend-16814973.php >> >> Mike Quinn, Austin >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leps-l mailing list >> Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l > _______________________________________________ > Leps-l mailing list > Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 00:37:00 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkuhlman at hotmail.com Mon Feb 7 01:34:09 2022 From: rkuhlman at hotmail.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 06:34:09 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely, Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From entomike at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 11:45:39 2022 From: entomike at gmail.com (Mike Quinn) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 10:45:39 -0600 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish. Mike Quinn, Austin On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman wrote: > I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is > the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political > Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and > wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural > habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? > > Sincerely, > Roger Kuhlman > Ann Arbor, Michigan > ------------------------------ > *From:* Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, > Eric H. > *Sent:* Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM > *To:* Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; > TXBL ; TXENTO > *Subject:* Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > > I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and > science where science is the intellectual enemy. > > I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students > learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet > remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the > administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s > one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the > folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would > return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts > and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education > and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend > one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning > people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage > church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 > right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One > so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated > for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement > and reveals no critical thinking. > > I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few > students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of > conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the > street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the > COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. > Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID > caused his death. > > From sunny southern New Mexico. > > Eric > Eric H. Metzler > ------------------------------ > *From:* Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn < > entomike at gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM > *To:* Leps-L ; TXBL ; > TXENTO > *Subject:* [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > > > *External Email - Exercise Caution* > How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The > New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB > > > Mike Quinn, Austin > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > _______________________________________________ > Leps-l mailing list > Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mexicodoug at aol.com Mon Feb 7 12:40:40 2022 From: mexicodoug at aol.com (MexicoDoug) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <963800392.1043860.1644255640427@mail.yahoo.com> Roger, I agree with you. LEPS-L clearly has lost the scientific relevance it once brought to many and this last exchange illustrates where it is today. Unfortunately it has always had political comments, though I thought it was meant to be a research list server.?The problem is really that scientific and professional content are devoid on the list compared to the heyday and all that is left, is posting of opinions and newspaper articles as if they were peer reviewed unbiased research. I just wish we could all get along. Respect each other?s desire not to use Leps-l as a platform, lol!!! On the bright side those perceiving a threat to butterflies can put their money where their mouths are, spread the word, give the butterfly park some traction on social media, and donate with the purpose of suing our government more (a major activity of the park), earn salaries in their moral mission, and take a vacation from doing any fieldwork because of the lurking dangers on the border. It is a cold time of year now so the time is right.? Most of the good butterflying there is in the late summer when tropical butterflies wander up in their range. I haven?t checked but it probably is not very photogenic due to cold weather, so I?m kind of glad it?s closed- but that is speculation since I haven?t been for a few months! It?s a cool habitat. Gone are the days where you needed to write grants to justify needs and got peer review. It?s a new world out there, and everyone is fighting for survival.CheersDoug On Monday, February 7, 2022, 08:45:57 AM PST, Mike Quinn wrote: Roger, I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish.? Mike Quinn, Austin On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman wrote: I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely,Roger KuhlmanAnn Arbor, MichiganFrom: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park?I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking.? The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. EricEric H. MetzlerFrom: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park? External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Timeshttps://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin-- Sent from Gmail Mobile_______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -- Sent from Gmail Mobile_______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akindofmagick1 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 12:41:55 2022 From: akindofmagick1 at yahoo.com (Sheri Moreau) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <625353452.1047723.1644255715603@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Mike. This whole debacle - the ghastly planned wall cutting thru the middle of a cherished insect/wildlife Sanctuary, one mile inland from the Rio Grande, with the associated heavy vehicle traffic and clueless workers, has been horrific. The owners and staff have been incredibly brave, but are doubtless now suffering from PTSD, as a result of years of constant death threats and vandalism.? Heartbreaking. SheriThe Butterfly Conservancy (currently on hiatus) On Monday, February 7, 2022, 11:45:58 AM EST, Mike Quinn wrote: Roger, I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish.? Mike Quinn, Austin On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman wrote: I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely,Roger KuhlmanAnn Arbor, MichiganFrom: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park?I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking.? The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. EricEric H. MetzlerFrom: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park? External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Timeshttps://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin-- Sent from Gmail Mobile_______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -- Sent from Gmail Mobile_______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcech at nyc.rr.com Mon Feb 7 12:54:34 2022 From: rcech at nyc.rr.com (rcech) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I may weigh in, the NBC staff did not confront those with opposing sociopolitical views, quite the opposite. If left alone, i believe the center would wend its way along on a butterfly-substantive track. So while I agree that the list serve should not become a shouting forum for disparate political commentaries, i also feel offended by attacks on an institution I value, and share a sense of outrage.I will be facing this same issue viz my local butterfly club, so maybe this is a cautionary warm-up.?Thanks, I guess, for the exercise round.Rick CechSent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message --------From: Mike Quinn Date: 2/7/22 11:45 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Roger Kuhlman Cc: Leps List Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park Roger,I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish.?Mike Quinn, AustinOn Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman wrote: I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely, Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan From: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park ? I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking.? The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler From: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park ? External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 20:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest I made no comments on politics. When I reread what I wrote the word the word politics is nowhere to be found. I suggested these events are simply signs of the times. My politics (unstated in my comments) are neither to the left nor to the right. I prefer no extremism, rather I hope for critical thinking. I encourage us to engage in such thinking and to pass it on. Thank you for the opportunity to further explain my point of view. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Roger Kuhlman Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 11:34 PM To: Metzler, Eric H. ; Leps List Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely, Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at aurinia.co.uk Mon Feb 7 16:37:50 2022 From: neil at aurinia.co.uk (Neil Jones) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 21:37:50 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6177f8bd-652f-8dfd-eae7-cd672a90b2c3@aurinia.co.uk> Quite right Eric! You merely asked for? critical thinking. This can sort this matter out quite quickly just by applying critical thinking This QAnon stuff that it is based on has no basis in fact at all.? They are alleging that NABA. the North American BUTTERFLY Association are using their center as a base for child sex trafficking. This is not just nonsense, it is CRAZY. On 07/02/2022 20:24, Metzler, Eric H. wrote: > I suggest I made no comments on politics. When I reread what I wrote > the word the word politics is nowhere to be found. > > I suggested these events are simply signs of the times. My politics > (unstated in my comments) are neither to the left nor to the right. I > prefer no extremism, rather I hope for critical thinking. I encourage > us to engage in such thinking and to pass it on. > > Thank you for the opportunity to further explain my point of view. > > Eric > Eric H. Metzler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Roger Kuhlman > *Sent:* Sunday, February 6, 2022 11:34 PM > *To:* Metzler, Eric H. ; Leps List > > *Subject:* Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > > *External Email - Exercise Caution* > > I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science > is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political > Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive > and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, > their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool > this line of politics? > > Sincerely, > Roger Kuhlman > Ann Arbor, Michigan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, > Eric H. > *Sent:* Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM > *To:* Mike Quinn ; Leps-L > ; TXBL ; TXENTO > > *Subject:* Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and > science where science is the intellectual enemy. > > I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring > students learn critical thinking.? The conspiracy theorists were > always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the > thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department > back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return > from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated > knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say > "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each > person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at > home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small > city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and > less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church > chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 > right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is > scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not > get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No > doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. > > I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few > students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of > conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across > the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to > spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID > doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his > funeral after COVID caused his death. > > From sunny southern New Mexico. > > Eric > Eric H. 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URL: From jbwalsh at arizona.edu Mon Feb 7 16:56:50 2022 From: jbwalsh at arizona.edu (Walsh, Bruce - (jbwalsh)) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 21:56:50 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] [EXT]Re: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: <6177f8bd-652f-8dfd-eae7-cd672a90b2c3@aurinia.co.uk> References: <6177f8bd-652f-8dfd-eae7-cd672a90b2c3@aurinia.co.uk> Message-ID: Critical thinking: Great call! Science is an active discourse among persons with different points of views. For example, Joeseph Lister was mocked and considered a complete quack by the medical community for suggesting that surgical instruments be sterilized after each operation. His views, against "The Science" of his time, would have been banned by youtube in our current environment. Consider the following (without names) who recently engaged in critical thinking, and got banned for their views: 1) a MD/PhD who holds 9 of the original patents on mRNA vaccines, and who has routinely chaired DOD/NIH vaccine development study sections (for those in the know, chairing a study section is a BIG deal, only allotted to those viewed at the top of their field) 2) A practicing doctor with over 100,000 google scholar citations in medicine, who was the editor two of the major medical journals in their subfield 3 ). Three internationally well-known epidemiologists from Standard, Oxford, and Harvard Their views, of course, could be wrong (as could "The science"), but they have the academic chops to at least have their views critically examined, not discounted (indeed, censored) out of hand without debate. The truth always lies somewhere in the middle, and we ignore it at our peril. The best news is that the moth season will be starting soon here in southern Arizona. Bruce Walsh Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Professor, Public Health Professor, BIO5 Institute Professor, Plant Sciences Adjunct Professor, Animal and Comparative Biomedical Sciences Adjunct Professor, Molecular and Cellular Biology Member, Graduate Committees on Applied Math, Insect Sciences, Genetics, Statistics University of Arizona Evolution and Selection of Quantitative Traits (Oxford 2018) https://global.oup.com/academic/product/evolution-and-selection-of-quantitative-traits-9780198830870 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0198830874 Genetics and Analysis of Quantitative Traits (Sinauer 1998) https://global.oup.com/academic/product/genetics-and-analysis-of-quantitative-traits-9780878934812 https://www.amazon.com/Genetics-Analysis-Quantitative-Traits-Michael/dp/0878934812 Google Scholar https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=7iQEFwIAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Neil Jones Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 2:37 PM To: leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email Quite right Eric! You merely asked for critical thinking. This can sort this matter out quite quickly just by applying critical thinking This QAnon stuff that it is based on has no basis in fact at all. They are alleging that NABA. the North American BUTTERFLY Association are using their center as a base for child sex trafficking. This is not just nonsense, it is CRAZY. On 07/02/2022 20:24, Metzler, Eric H. wrote: I suggest I made no comments on politics. When I reread what I wrote the word the word politics is nowhere to be found. I suggested these events are simply signs of the times. My politics (unstated in my comments) are neither to the left nor to the right. I prefer no extremism, rather I hope for critical thinking. I encourage us to engage in such thinking and to pass it on. Thank you for the opportunity to further explain my point of view. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Roger Kuhlman Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 11:34 PM To: Metzler, Eric H. ; Leps List Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely, Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Mike Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L ; TXBL ; TXENTO Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bpatter789 at aol.com Mon Feb 7 21:20:12 2022 From: bpatter789 at aol.com (Robert M. Patterson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 02:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Leps-l] Subject: [EXT]Re: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park References: <2017429495.1277382.1644286812684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2017429495.1277382.1644286812684@mail.yahoo.com> "I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power....... Do you think we can cool this line of politics?"?Probably not when the request is preceded by the statement about leftist political power.?Bob Patterson? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:57:07 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] [EXT]Re: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: <6177f8bd-652f-8dfd-eae7-cd672a90b2c3@aurinia.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Neil, Bruce, and Bruce for understanding the situation is not political, It never was, and never should be political. I was going to close my short commentary, with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, that we should all study moths because we know butterflies are just day flying moths in fancy dress. However, because moths might be seen as part of the dark side (intentional metaphor) I do not want the Qanon people attacking me and my good friends including Bruce Walsh when we are out at night with blacklights and sheets. I prefer the good ol' days when passers-by would offer me a beer as they were amazed at the beauty of the night. >From sunny southern NM Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Steve Plumb Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 7:30 PM To: Walsh, Bruce - (jbwalsh) Cc: leps-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [EXT]Re: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution On Feb 7, 2022, at 4:56 PM, Walsh, Bruce - (jbwalsh) > wrote: The best news is that the moth season will be starting soon here in southern Arizona. Big Bend NP Texas, today from my daughter. [cid:1E177CD0-ADF5-460C-B1FF-606A804C3D2B at plumb] Steve ------- Steve Plumb Nobleboro, ME -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A crucial aspect of the decline in these butterfly populations, besides the direct destruction of habitat, is the elimination of landscape-scale dynamics that produced and maintained these habitats. This is exactly the situation here facing the Dakota skipper (Hesperia dacotae) and Poweshiek skipperling (Oarisma poweshiek), both requiring native prairie habitat. At a general level, frequent fire, episodic grazing, and climate interacted to create this biome, and the extreme fragmentation of what remains eliminates the first two as natural processes. Maintaining the remnants as anything like the native prairie requires active management to apply fire and grazing, but just what the prescription needs to be for these two butterflies to persist in remnants remains largely undetermined. Fortunately in the case of Dr. Henry's three species, the most important factor for them is the presence of their hostplants, and enough is known about the requirements of the plants to guide management strategies. Our two skippers do not appear to depend on specific hosts within the Poaceae, making the task more challenging. Anyone interested in doing some research? Robert Dana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at aurinia.co.uk Thu Feb 10 07:21:54 2022 From: neil at aurinia.co.uk (Neil Jones) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:21:54 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] Strymon acis bartrami, was NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 09/02/2022 21:53, Dana, Robert (DNR) wrote: > . She presented three stories of work she has been involved in aimed > at averting extirpation/extinction of butterfly taxa--Strymon acis > bartrami, Neomympha mitchellii francisci, and Speyeria zerene > hippolyta. All three are habitat specialists whose habitats we have > nearly eliminated, with the remnant fragments widely scattered. A > crucial aspect of the decline in these butterfly populations, besides > the direct destruction of habitat, is the elimination of > landscape-scale dynamics that produced and maintained these habitats. There is an interesting paper on the hairstreak here https://bioone.org/journals/the-journal-of-the-lepidopterists-society/volume-64/issue-3/lepi.v64i3.a4/Notes-on-the-Status-and-Ecology-of-Strymon-acis-bartrami/10.18473/lepi.v64i3.a4.full It is one gorgeous butterfly.? I am reminded of William Beebe's famous words on extinction. :- "/The beauty and genius of a work of art may be reconceived, though its first material expression be destroyed; a vanished harmony may yet again inspire the composer; but when the last individual of a race of living beings breathes no more, another heaven and another earth must pass before such a one can be again."/ / / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkuhlman at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 15:33:49 2022 From: rkuhlman at hotmail.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 20:33:49 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: <4bf215a2-3926-4498-bed4-2211b67515fd@AM5EUR03FT062.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com> References: <4bf215a2-3926-4498-bed4-2211b67515fd@AM5EUR03FT062.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: The piece that appeared in the New York Times is mainly advocacy for partisan Leftist Democrat positions and power. It has so much focus on extreme Rightwing crazies that is hard to take it as serious journalism. If you want promote the preservation of butterfly numbers and diversity, you cannot let native ecosystems and natural habitats to fall victim to Human Overpopulation and Overdevelopment in America. That means for America, Illegal Immigration must be stopped entirely and excessive legal Mass Immigration restricted to population neutral levels. Open Borders as we now have under Joe Biden is an Ecological Disgrace and an Ecological Disaster. I do not understand why so many Lepidopteran experts and enthusiasts can not appreciate these pertinent facts Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor ________________________________ From: rcech Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 12:54 PM To: Mike Quinn ; Roger Kuhlman Cc: Leps List Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park If I may weigh in, the NBC staff did not confront those with opposing sociopolitical views, quite the opposite. If left alone, i believe the center would wend its way along on a butterfly-substantive track. So while I agree that the list serve should not become a shouting forum for disparate political commentaries, i also feel offended by attacks on an institution I value, and share a sense of outrage. I will be facing this same issue viz my local butterfly club, so maybe this is a cautionary warm-up. Thanks, I guess, for the exercise round. Rick Cech Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Quinn Date: 2/7/22 11:45 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Roger Kuhlman Cc: Leps List Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park Roger, I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish. Mike Quinn, Austin On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman > wrote: I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? Sincerely, Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l > on behalf of Metzler, Eric H. > Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM To: Mike Quinn >; Leps-L >; TXBL >; TXENTO > Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies and science where science is the intellectual enemy. I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring students learn critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists were always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so few students compared to the thousands of people who join the masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. >From sunny southern New Mexico. Eric Eric H. Metzler ________________________________ From: Leps-l > on behalf of Mike Quinn > Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: Leps-L >; TXBL >; TXENTO > Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park External Email - Exercise Caution How the National Butterfly Center Became the Center of Online Lies - The New York Times https://nyti.ms/3otxXeB Mike Quinn, Austin -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkuhlman at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 16:04:24 2022 From: rkuhlman at hotmail.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:04:24 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] Fw: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ From: Roger Kuhlman Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:03 PM To: Dana, Robert (DNR) Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park Speaking of the loss of Poweshiek Skipper (Oarisma poweshiek) in the recent past we have lost two prominent sites for the species one in NW Washtenaw County and one in Lenawee county. In addition a major population site at Grand River Fen in Jackson County may have been crippled or destroyed. In all cases controlled burns may have played a major part in the extinctions. Controlled burns can be very dangerous to endemic species like Poweshieks when their natural habitats are badly fragmented, far apart and the population numbers low. All these situations had applied to SE Michigan Poweshieks. Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Dana, Robert (DNR) Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 4:53 PM To: Leps-L Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park On a different topic, I tuned in to a Zoom presentation yesterday about insect conservation from the McGuire Center at the Univ. of Florida, one of the ?Expanding Horizons in Lepidoptera Research? that it produces. The presenter was Erica Henry, now a post-doc at Washington State Univ. in Pullman. She presented three stories of work she has been involved in aimed at averting extirpation/extinction of butterfly taxa--Strymon acis bartrami, Neomympha mitchellii francisci, and Speyeria zerene hippolyta. All three are habitat specialists whose habitats we have nearly eliminated, with the remnant fragments widely scattered. A crucial aspect of the decline in these butterfly populations, besides the direct destruction of habitat, is the elimination of landscape-scale dynamics that produced and maintained these habitats. This is exactly the situation here facing the Dakota skipper (Hesperia dacotae) and Poweshiek skipperling (Oarisma poweshiek), both requiring native prairie habitat. At a general level, frequent fire, episodic grazing, and climate interacted to create this biome, and the extreme fragmentation of what remains eliminates the first two as natural processes. Maintaining the remnants as anything like the native prairie requires active management to apply fire and grazing, but just what the prescription needs to be for these two butterflies to persist in remnants remains largely undetermined. Fortunately in the case of Dr. Henry?s three species, the most important factor for them is the presence of their hostplants, and enough is known about the requirements of the plants to guide management strategies. Our two skippers do not appear to depend on specific hosts within the Poaceae, making the task more challenging. Anyone interested in doing some research? Robert Dana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at aurinia.co.uk Thu Feb 10 16:31:01 2022 From: neil at aurinia.co.uk (Neil Jones) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: <4bf215a2-3926-4498-bed4-2211b67515fd@AM5EUR03FT062.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: <119d2482-332d-9e48-035f-ab85acbcc092@aurinia.co.uk> Whether there are open borders or not and proper evidence says there aren't, https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/02/gateway-pundit/us-southern-border-completely-open-s-false/ is not particularly relevant. Crazy people believing nonsensical things have caused the closure of an important butterfly site. Constantly dismissing any news site that writes about this as partisan or leftist does not give you any credibility. It is news. It gets into newspapers. Neil Jones On 10/02/2022 20:33, Roger Kuhlman wrote: > The piece that appeared in the New York Times is mainly advocacy for > partisan Leftist Democrat positions and power. It has so much focus on > extreme Rightwing crazies that is hard to take it as serious > journalism. If you want promote the preservation of butterfly numbers > and diversity, you cannot let native ecosystems and natural habitats > to fall victim to Human Overpopulation and Overdevelopment in America. > That means for America, Illegal Immigration must be stopped entirely > and excessive legal Mass Immigration restricted to population neutral > levels. Open Borders as we now have under Joe Biden is an Ecological > Disgrace and an Ecological Disaster. I do not understand why so many > Lepidopteran experts and enthusiasts can not appreciate these > pertinent facts > > Roger Kuhlman > Ann Arbor > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* rcech > *Sent:* Monday, February 7, 2022 12:54 PM > *To:* Mike Quinn ; Roger Kuhlman > > *Cc:* Leps List > *Subject:* Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > If I may weigh in, the NBC staff did not confront those with opposing > sociopolitical views, quite the opposite. If left alone, i believe the > center would wend its way along on a butterfly-substantive track. So > while I agree that the list serve should not become a shouting forum > for disparate political commentaries, i also feel offended by attacks > on an institution I value, and share a sense of outrage. > > I will be facing this same issue viz my local butterfly club, so maybe > this is a cautionary warm-up. > > Thanks, I guess, for the exercise round. > > Rick Cech > > Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike Quinn > Date: 2/7/22 11:45 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Roger Kuhlman > Cc: Leps List > Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > > Roger, > > I appreciate the call for no politics, but this article, concerning > south Texas butterfly habitat, ran on the front page of Sunday?s > NYTimes so I don?t think it?s something that we as a group should > ignore though individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish. > > Mike Quinn, Austin > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman > wrote: > > I think all this talking about Not Following the Science and > Science is the intellectual enemy only amounts to Extremist > Leftist Political Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I > find it very offensive and wish to not see it in intelligent > discussions of butterflies, their natural habitats, and ways of > life. Do you think we can cool this line of politics? > > Sincerely, > Roger Kuhlman > Ann Arbor, Michigan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Leps-l on behalf of > Metzler, Eric H. > *Sent:* Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM > *To:* Mike Quinn ; Leps-L > ; TXBL ; > TXENTO > *Subject:* Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park > I attribute this situation to a weird association of butterflies > and science where science is the intellectual enemy. > > I suggest our educational system is failing us by not ensuring > students learn critical thinking.? The conspiracy theorists were > always there yet remained below the surface until emboldened by > the thinking of the administration between 2016 and 2020. In my > department back in the 1980s one of my colleagues and close > friends would return from meetings with the folks who used our > research and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would return to > his office and always say "Fictitious but true." There are facts > and there is the truth. Each person must decide based upon their > education and indoctrination, at home, at school, socially, and > church if they attend one. In our small city of 35,000 people, 2/3 > are right-wing well-meaning people, and less than 50% are > vaccinated. There is one very low wattage church chat show. I > regularly listen because I want to know what the 2/3 right leaning > people are hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary. One > so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said people should not get > vaccinated for COVID because every vaccinated person dies. No > doubt a true statement and reveals no critical thinking. > > I work hard to teach my students to research and think. I touch so > few students compared to the thousands of people who join the > masses of conspiracy theorists. My former neighbor, a very nice > man, from across the street insisted planes from China were flying > overhead daily to spread the COVID virus. Then in the next > sentence he said COVID doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think > not. I recently attended his funeral after COVID caused his death. > > From sunny southern New Mexico. > > Eric > Eric H. 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URL: From jshuey at TNC.ORG Thu Feb 10 17:10:01 2022 From: jshuey at TNC.ORG (John Shuey) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:10:01 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] Fw: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking of propaganda, Grand river fen has been under a burn regime for almost three decades now. The collapse of Poweshiek was recent, sudden, and across multiple states in the last few years. Not a gradual decline due to 30 years of prescribed fire at a single site. Most people familiar with the sudden decline attribute it to an external factor, like near surface water contaminations by noenicitinoids... or airborne drift . If you will, the final nail in the coffin after centuries of habitat conversion to ag, uncontrolled succession, drainage of wetlands, and so on... John Shuey From: Leps-l On Behalf Of Roger Kuhlman Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:04 PM To: Leps List Subject: [Leps-l] Fw: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park ________________________________ From: Roger Kuhlman > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:03 PM To: Dana, Robert (DNR) > Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park Speaking of the loss of Poweshiek Skipper (Oarisma poweshiek) in the recent past we have lost two prominent sites for the species one in NW Washtenaw County and one in Lenawee county. In addition a major population site at Grand River Fen in Jackson County may have been crippled or destroyed. In all cases controlled burns may have played a major part in the extinctions. Controlled burns can be very dangerous to endemic species like Poweshieks when their natural habitats are badly fragmented, far apart and the population numbers low. All these situations had applied to SE Michigan Poweshieks. Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l > on behalf of Dana, Robert (DNR) > Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 4:53 PM To: Leps-L > Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park On a different topic, I tuned in to a Zoom presentation yesterday about insect conservation from the McGuire Center at the Univ. of Florida, one of the "Expanding Horizons in Lepidoptera Research" that it produces. The presenter was Erica Henry, now a post-doc at Washington State Univ. in Pullman. She presented three stories of work she has been involved in aimed at averting extirpation/extinction of butterfly taxa--Strymon acis bartrami, Neomympha mitchellii francisci, and Speyeria zerene hippolyta. All three are habitat specialists whose habitats we have nearly eliminated, with the remnant fragments widely scattered. A crucial aspect of the decline in these butterfly populations, besides the direct destruction of habitat, is the elimination of landscape-scale dynamics that produced and maintained these habitats. This is exactly the situation here facing the Dakota skipper (Hesperia dacotae) and Poweshiek skipperling (Oarisma poweshiek), both requiring native prairie habitat. At a general level, frequent fire, episodic grazing, and climate interacted to create this biome, and the extreme fragmentation of what remains eliminates the first two as natural processes. Maintaining the remnants as anything like the native prairie requires active management to apply fire and grazing, but just what the prescription needs to be for these two butterflies to persist in remnants remains largely undetermined. Fortunately in the case of Dr. Henry's three species, the most important factor for them is the presence of their hostplants, and enough is known about the requirements of the plants to guide management strategies. Our two skippers do not appear to depend on specific hosts within the Poaceae, making the task more challenging. Anyone interested in doing some research? Robert Dana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From entomike at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:14:29 2022 From: entomike at gmail.com (Mike Quinn) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 08:14:29 -0600 Subject: [Leps-l] BioQuip to close in late March? Message-ID: no mention of closing on their website: https://www.bioquip.com/ Mike Quinn, Austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Neil Jones From rkuhlman at hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 01:43:39 2022 From: rkuhlman at hotmail.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:43:39 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] Fw: NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ From: Roger Kuhlman Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 1:11 AM To: Dana, Robert (DNR) Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park I would agree with the importance of natural fires and other natural events in maintaining good quality natural habitats in general. But I would point out that natural disturbances are beneficial when habitats are not badly fragmented and scarce. When fire happens with rare butterflies in a very restricted location with no nearby habitats of species recolonization, it is probably a lethalizing and extirpating event. When you have rare butterflies and other animals restricted to low numbers in a few scattered sites you have a prescription for relatively quick species extinction. Roger Kuhlman Ann Arbor, Michigan ________________________________ From: Leps-l on behalf of Dana, Robert (DNR) Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 4:53 PM To: Leps-L Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park On a different topic, I tuned in to a Zoom presentation yesterday about insect conservation from the McGuire Center at the Univ. of Florida, one of the ?Expanding Horizons in Lepidoptera Research? that it produces. The presenter was Erica Henry, now a post-doc at Washington State Univ. in Pullman. She presented three stories of work she has been involved in aimed at averting extirpation/extinction of butterfly taxa--Strymon acis bartrami, Neomympha mitchellii francisci, and Speyeria zerene hippolyta. All three are habitat specialists whose habitats we have nearly eliminated, with the remnant fragments widely scattered. A crucial aspect of the decline in these butterfly populations, besides the direct destruction of habitat, is the elimination of landscape-scale dynamics that produced and maintained these habitats. This is exactly the situation here facing the Dakota skipper (Hesperia dacotae) and Poweshiek skipperling (Oarisma poweshiek), both requiring native prairie habitat. At a general level, frequent fire, episodic grazing, and climate interacted to create this biome, and the extreme fragmentation of what remains eliminates the first two as natural processes. Maintaining the remnants as anything like the native prairie requires active management to apply fire and grazing, but just what the prescription needs to be for these two butterflies to persist in remnants remains largely undetermined. Fortunately in the case of Dr. Henry?s three species, the most important factor for them is the presence of their hostplants, and enough is known about the requirements of the plants to guide management strategies. Our two skippers do not appear to depend on specific hosts within the Poaceae, making the task more challenging. Anyone interested in doing some research? Robert Dana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From monarch at saber.net Sun Feb 13 19:44:55 2022 From: monarch at saber.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:44:55 -0800 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83BECCB2-42CC-4B05-A7D4-7DFB9F68225A@saber.net> > Most people familiar with the sudden decline attribute it to an external factor, > like near surface water contaminations by noenicitinoids? or airborne drift . Some butterflies continue to be abundant where neonicotinoid insecticides are used heavily on a region wide scale; e.g. on the corn & soybean croplands of the upper Midwest. Late last August 2021 I shot this video of monarchs migrating Southwest in south-central Minnesota at the rate of 20 butterflies per minute: https://youtu.be/Q1ugyulER6Q And in Sept. 2020 a farmer in south-central Minnesota shot this video of hundreds of monarch nectaring on some Liatris ligulistylis flowers he planted. https://youtu.be/CDun70cjAK0 Paul Cherubini El Dorado, Calif. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From covell at louisville.edu Sun Feb 13 23:18:30 2022 From: covell at louisville.edu (Charles Covell) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 23:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA butterfly park In-Reply-To: <83BECCB2-42CC-4B05-A7D4-7DFB9F68225A@saber.net> References: <83BECCB2-42CC-4B05-A7D4-7DFB9F68225A@saber.net> Message-ID: Many thanks. The photos are very heartening to see. Cheers, Charlie On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 7:45 PM Paul Cherubini wrote: > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of our organization. Do not > click links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender's > email address and know the contents are safe. > > Most people familiar with the sudden decline attribute it to an external > factor, > > like near surface water contaminations by noenicitinoids? or airborne > drift . > > > Some butterflies continue to be abundant where neonicotinoid insecticides > are used heavily on a region wide scale; e.g. on the corn & soybean > croplands of the upper Midwest. > > Late last August 2021 I shot this video of monarchs migrating Southwest in > south-central Minnesota at the rate of 20 butterflies per minute: > https://youtu.be/Q1ugyulER6Q > > And in Sept. 2020 a farmer in south-central Minnesota shot this video of > hundreds of monarch nectaring on some Liatris ligulistylis flowers > he planted. https://youtu.be/CDun70cjAK0 > > Paul Cherubini > El Dorado, Calif. > _______________________________________________ > Leps-l mailing list > Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Report all suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center. ________________________________ Many thanks. The photos are very heartening to see. Cheers, Charlie On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 7:45 PM Paul Cherubini > wrote: CAUTION: This email originated from outside of our organization. Do not click links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender's email address and know the contents are safe. Most people familiar with the sudden decline attribute it to an external factor, like near surface water contaminations by noenicitinoids... or airborne drift . Some butterflies continue to be abundant where neonicotinoid insecticides are used heavily on a region wide scale; e.g. on the corn & soybean croplands of the upper Midwest. Late last August 2021 I shot this video of monarchs migrating Southwest in south-central Minnesota at the rate of 20 butterflies per minute: https://youtu.be/Q1ugyulER6Q And in Sept. 2020 a farmer in south-central Minnesota shot this video of hundreds of monarch nectaring on some Liatris ligulistylis flowers he planted. https://youtu.be/CDun70cjAK0 Paul Cherubini El Dorado, Calif. _______________________________________________ Leps-l mailing list Leps-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/leps-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawrence.gall at yale.edu Sat Feb 26 14:57:49 2022 From: lawrence.gall at yale.edu (Gall, Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 19:57:49 +0000 Subject: [Leps-l] Moths of North America (MONA) fascicles now available as PDFs Message-ID: With apologies in advance for cross-posting. The Wedge Entomological Research Foundation is pleased to offer PDFs of the Moths of North America (MONA) fascicles for download at http://wedgefoundation.org/publications_paypal.asp All PDFs for fascicles published prior to 2015 are free, whereas PDFs for the four most recent fascicles (9.4 Eucosma, 2015; 9.5 Pelochrista, 2017; 22.1A Notodontidae, 2018; 25.4 Noctuidae, 2020) can be purchased at a 50 percent discount compared to the corresponding print versions. For additional information please contact the Wedge Foundation's Managing Director, Kelly Richers (kerichers at wuesd.org). Best, Larry - - - Lawrence F. Gall, Ph.D. Head, Computer Systems Office & Entomology Collections Manager Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History, 170 Whitney Avenue, New Haven, Connecticut, USA 06511; phone 203-432-9892 http://www.peabody.yale.edu https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0690-0969 If urgent call or text my cell: 203-246-1952 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: