[Nhcoll-l] global unique identifiers and naturalhistory collections
Bentley, Andrew Charles
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Mon Oct 15 10:03:12 EDT 2012
Not entirely true Mark. The way it has been done by BCI and Biocollections.org is to look at founding dates and allow the oldest institution to keep the acronym and request the other to change. I know this is a long shot and may be out of the question for some, but, from what I can tell, there are not that many conflicts out there.
Andy
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From: Mark O'Brien <mfobrien at umich.edu<mailto:mfobrien at umich.edu>>
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:59 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] global unique identifiers and naturalhistory collections
Obviously, the heavyweight museums would get their acronym and the small museums would have to change theirs.
The confusion is because Botanists and Zoologists lived in different universes, and until databases became linked, never thought about their data codes. Perhaps the one thing that could be done is each museum gets a 5-letter code that uses the most commonly accepted acronym plus one other letter identifier if they need to further subdivide the collection. I know that the UM Herbarium just uses MICH. The Univ of Michigan Museum of Zoology uses UMMZ. The UM Museum of Anthropology uses UMMA, and the Paleo Museum uses UMMP. Within our disciplines that's not been a problem, but obviously, with data-sharing outside our systems, it might be.
Mark
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Thiers, Barbara <bthiers at nybg.org<mailto:bthiers at nybg.org>> wrote:
Well, here is a problem with institutional codes - they overlap:
AAU: ASIH = Addis Abbaba University
In Index Herbariorum = Aarhus University
AMNH: ASIH: American Museum of Natural History
IH: Icelandic Natural History Museum, Akureyri
CUP: ASIH: Charles University
IH: Cornell Plant Pathology herbarium.
A few are the same, though: BYU, CAS, CM.
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All,
Expanding on what Mark just wrote, standardization of institutional codes for museums has been going on for decades:
1) http://www.biodiversitycollectionindex.org/static/index.html
2) Leviton, A.E., R.H. Gibbs, Jr., E. Heal, and C.E. Dawson. 1985. Standards in herpetology and ichthyology: Part I. Standard symbolic codes for institutional resource collections in herpetology and ichthyology. Copeia 1985(3): 802-832.
3) Leviton, A.E. and R.H. Gibbs, Jr. 1988. Standards in herpetology and ichthyology. Standard symbolic codes for institution resource collections in herpetology and ichthyology. Supplement No. 1: additions and corrections. Copeia 1988(1): 280-282.
4) http://www.asih.org/codons.pdf
These acronyms and associated catalog numbers are used widely in the literature. What is the need for a new system that is "global?" Museum acronyms convey useful information that is easy to interpret, whereas a long numeric code alone or an alphanumeric string such as "A3P578930ZBW" does not. When typos occur in long strings how does one even begin to discern the intended object? A typo in CAS 20050 as CAS 20059 can be tracked much more easily. Similarly, when a typo occurs in GPS coordinates without an associated locality description, it's difficult or impossible to resolve.
Bill
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Hi all,
at least for some collections unique (and published) identifiers are available (e.g. provided via the Eschmeyer Catolg of fishes @
http://research.calacademy.org/redirect?url=http://researcharchive.calacademy.org/research/Ichthyology/catalog/fishcatmain.asp)
It might be essential to have unique identifiers for scientific material in near future - mainly depending on how the Access Benefit Sharing will implement regulations to track down single samples to allow equitable sharing of these (genetic) resources. For botany specimens something similar is already in place called IPEN:
http://www.bgci.org/resources/ipen/
However, it is crucial that the registration numbers are tied to collections and specimens in the collection, therefore I would rather favour to have the museum acronyms & specimen numbers included in such a code (what would be easily feasible if using a combined alpha numeric & alphabetical coding system). Problem here surely lies with the entomological collections, which can't be individualised in near future, but in the light of ongoing barcoding campaigns one should have in mind that many modern samples (which do have e.g. individual barcodes generated by BOLD) do have unique identifiers as soon as they are processed (this applies also for historic specimens picked form the pin)
- even if the analyses fails.
Definitely YES! and will be needed in near future, I fear (not because I would wish to have a unique numbering system / numbers)
All the best
Dirk
Am 15.10.2012 00:09, schrieb CSTURMJR at pitt.edu<mailto:CSTURMJR at pitt.edu>:
> Curtis,
>
> One problem that comes to mind is CMNH as an identifier.
> I have seen this used for:
> Carnegie Museum of Natural History ( my preference!) Cleveland Museum
> of Natural History Cincinnati Museum of Natural History
>
> It could also be used for:
> Colorado (University) Museum of Natural History Canadian Museum of
> Natural History.
>
> Thus, one would have to standardize museum acronyms.
>
>> <font face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"
>> size="2"><div>Forgive my ignorance, as I'm new to the collections
>> world, but could someone please provide more detail about what you
>> are talking about exactly? What is wrong with the use of museum
>> acronyms followed by numbers? Or...am I missing something? Aren't
>> these "global unique identifiers"? What are the drawbacks to using
>> these in the traditional manner? Also, how feasible would it be for
>> all the collections to essentially renumber their entire collections
>> to participate in this new system? Please help me understand what
>> this discussion is
>> about.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Curt
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