[Nhcoll-l] Arsenic testing
Fran Ritchie
franritchie at gmail.com
Tue Feb 25 17:06:11 EST 2014
Haha Lena, yes, don't mean to sound like a spokesperson for Bruker, but
I've had good experiences with their equipment.
It's very wise to assume first off that it's arsenic, since so many
specimens were laced with them. More recent taxidermists (especially for
birds, or maybe exclusively for birds?) used Borax instead, to act as a
de-greaser for oily bird skins and to act as a pest deterrent (or that's
what the taxidermist who taught me to use Borax told me). The Borax
would've been applied to the inside of the skins, so sometimes it escapes
through seams and other places, just like arsenic...
I know of some conservation students who treated a museum taxidermy bird
that had an accumulation of white particles on the base that ended up being
Borax.
You could take a very small amount (using gloves and tweezers) and place in
water to see if it dissolves, like Borax would.
My guess, however, is that if the specimens are older than 30-40 years,
then the Borax is wishful thinking on my part.
A workshop would be fun, regardless, though! ;)
Let me know how it turns out!
Fran
Andrew W. Mellon Fellow in
Objects Conservation
National Museum of the American Indian
RitchieF at si.edu
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Lena Hernandez <LHernandez at themosh.org>wrote:
> Fran,
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> I guess I don't know for certain that it is arsenic instead of borax. This
> is my first venture into the deep end in our Natural Science collection at
> MOSH and the majority of my (limited) knowledge on arsenic comes from NPS'
> handbook and conserve-o-grams. Is there a way to test to see if the
> material is borax? Though the general drift of the replies I am getting is *contact
> Bruker, they are awesome!* J I may have to see if I can round up a few
> people in my area for a workshop.
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> Lena Hernandez
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> Collections Manager/Registrar
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> Museum of Science and History
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> 1025 Museum Circle
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> Jacksonville, FL 32207
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> (904)396-6674 x212
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> *From:* Fran Ritchie [mailto:franritchie at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:47 PM
> *To:* Wilke, Victoria
> *Cc:* Lena Hernandez; Gegick, Patricia, DCA; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
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> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Arsenic testing
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> I meant to "reply to all" earlier when I e-mailed Lena back. Victoria,
> I've used a homemade test kit that I assembled based off of the method
> that Cathy Hawks adapted and that Ellen Carrlee described on her blog:
> http://ellencarrlee.wordpress.com/?s=arsenic+testing I've had multiple
> successes with it, using the swab method, but now I can't remember exactly
> how much residue was on the surface. I don't think it was much. (I was
> able to confirm my findings with XRF, too. The sample that was negative
> also tested negative using XRF.)
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> The downside is that you need to make/have KOH and HCl, which is difficult
> if you're working for a smaller museum with limited or no lab space. The
> first time I ran this arsenic test I was working for a small museum with no
> lab and was able to take my samples to a local university chem lab. Ellen
> points out that her molar solution was obtained from a local pharmacist.
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> Lena, just curious how you know the specimens have arsenic and that the
> accumulation of material on the base isn't Borax?
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> Thanks,
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> Fran Ritchie
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> Andrew W. Mellon Fellow in
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> Objects Conservation
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> National Museum of the American Indian
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> RitchieF at si.edu
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> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Wilke, Victoria <vwilke at oeb.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
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> Depending on the time the mounts you are referencing were made, arsenic
> could have been applied as a paste, powder or soap.
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> I have read (multiple times!) that re-testing is necessary due to negative
> results. Have you ever tested the same specimen using different methods?
> I've never used the The Macherey-Nagel Arsenic Paper Test, but would like
> to hear other's experiences.
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> Victoria
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> *From:* nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [mailto:
> nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf Of *Lena Hernandez
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:25 PM
> *To:* Gegick, Patricia, DCA
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> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Arsenic testing
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> I can understand the potential to miss the arsenic when swabbing, which I
> believe is why it is recommended to retest specimens every three years or
> so if you get an initial negative result. Unfortunately, my testing issue
> does not seem to be so simple as that. One of the specimens I tested had
> quite the accumulation of arsenic below it on the base it was mounted on,
> but still I got a negative result.
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> I appreciate all of the responses I have gotten so far, but if anyone
> else has thoughts please voice them!
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> Lena Hernandez
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> Collections Manager/Registrar
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> Museum of Science and History
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> 1025 Museum Circle
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> Jacksonville, FL 32207
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> (904)396-6674 x212
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> *From:* Gegick, Patricia, DCA [mailto:patricia.gegick at state.nm.us<patricia.gegick at state.nm.us>]
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:41 PM
> *To:* Kirsten Nicholson; Lena Hernandez
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] Arsenic testing
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> Dear listees,
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> It is my understanding that the arsenic was in a paste form applied to the
> inside skin of the animal. It is tiny crystals of this that can migrate to
> the surface when dry. If the "cotton swabbing" method is being used, it
> seems that it depends on whether or not you happen to capture a crystal on
> your swab. I've always been slightly skeptical myself as far as whether my
> "negatives" are valid. Anyone else have this problem?
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> Patti
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> *Patricia J. Gegick Bioscience Collections SpecialistDepartment of
> Collections and Research New Mexico Museum of Natural History & Science
> 1801 Mountain Road, NW Albuquerque, NM 87104-1375 Phone: 505.841.2867
> <505.841.2867> Fax: 505.841.2808 <505.841.2808> email:
> patricia.gegick at state.nm.us <patricia.gegick at state.nm.us> *
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> "Every calculation based on experience elsewhere fails in New Mexico." Lew
> Wallace, New Mexico Territorial Governor from 1878-1881. New Mexico: The
> Land of Enchantment
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> *From:* nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [
> mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kirsten Nicholson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:55 AM
> *To:* Lena Hernandez
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Arsenic testing
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> So we have done some fairly extensive testing in our collection and had
> the same results. Generally this happened where arsenic prepared specimens
> were in contact with "clean" specimens" and from the literature I am
> understand that there can be cross contamination. So if possible, you want
> to quarantine your arsenic specimens away from clean specimens if possible
> (there are a number of ways to accomplish this).
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> I would love to hear what others have to offer, though.
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> Kirsten
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> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Lena Hernandez <LHernandez at themosh.org>
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> Recently I attempted testing for arsenic in the mounted specimens of our
> collection. My issues, that I hope some of you can help with, is that I am
> getting a negative result on specimens that I am sure have arsenic. Has
> anyone else run into this problem? If so how did you solve it? I am
> following the protocol developed by NPS in their Conserve-o-Gram 2/3 and
> using Hach's arsenic test kit, since the one recommended by NPS is no
> longer made. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Feel free to contact me
> off list if you would prefer.
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> Lena Hernandez
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> Collections Manager/Registrar
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> Museum of Science and History
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> 1025 Museum Circle
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> Jacksonville, FL 32207
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> (904)396-6674 x212
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> lhernandez at themosh.org
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