[Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen collection maintenance
H.J. Walker
hjwalker at ucsd.edu
Wed Mar 16 14:27:47 EDT 2016
Good lord, people!
You don't need to see a smiley face to know that was humor.
Nice job, Rob; we need this from time to time!
H.J.
On 3/16/16 6:23 AM, Rob Robins wrote:
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> Indeed, it is as Andy says. I am only too delighted to have a career
> getting paid to work with fishes and the more loans the better.
>
> The comment was an attempt at humor.
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> Best,
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> Rob
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> Robert H. Robins
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> *From:*Bentley, Andrew Charles [mailto:abentley at ku.edu]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:10 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen
> collection maintenance
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> Barry
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> You must have missed the smiley face!! I am sure Rob would be only
> too happy to entertain loans of this material…
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> Andy
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> Andy Bentley
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> *From: *<nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of Barry OConnor
> <bmoc at umich.edu <mailto:bmoc at umich.edu>>
> *Date: *Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 8:06 AM
> *To: *Rob Robins <rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu <mailto:rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu>>
> *Cc: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>"
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> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen
> collection maintenance
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> "As the above is just one of many shelves for this species, please do
> not request a loan of an individual lot of Gambusia holbrooki. Ever.
>
> J
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> Best,
>
> Rob
>
> Then what is the point? If collections are not made available for
> study, why do we keep them? - Barry
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> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Rob Robins <rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu
> <mailto:rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu>> wrote:
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> While I’m sure most of us have a visual at this point for a vial lot
> container, here’s a snip of some of our Eastern Mosquitofish (Gambusia
> holbrooki) vial lot holdings:
>
>
> Sadly those who established the system stopped short of assigning
> individual container numbers to the vial lot jars (and creating
> accompanying contents lists) and I have lacked the fortitude to
> correct it (we have many tens of thousands of lots stored this way).
>
> We have no screw top vials – in our experience such closures back off
> on their own in alcohol, risking cross contamination between lots.
>
> I’ve seen a system like what Paul describes at ANSP and it gives me
> organization envy.
>
> Storage efficiency using the system pictured above is indeed high, but
> access can be a substantial time sink.
>
> As the above is just one of many shelves for this species, please do
> not request a loan of an individual lot of Gambusia holbrooki. Ever.
>
> J
>
> Best,
>
> Rob
>
> Robert H. Robins
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> Collection Manager
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> *From:*nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
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> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Callomon,Paul
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:31 AM
> *To:* Bodil Kajrup; Dirk Neumann; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
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> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen
> collection maintenance
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> We used a similar system for many years, but nowadays have gone in the
> opposite direction. Our small samples are now kept in individual 4- or
> 6-dram vials with screw tops (phenolic cap with PPE Coneseal liner),
> stored in metal racks of our own design that allow up to 40 vials to
> be checked at a glance for fluid level.
>
> Our chief reason for unpacking the individual vials from the jars was
> access – to get a vial on a lower layer in a jar, for example, many
> others have to be pulled out. By university (and US) regulations, that
> can only be done under a hood and therefore in a separate lab (we
> cannot open jars in storage rooms, only in labs). This means the whole
> jar must be moved, and if it gets dropped, mixing the broken vials and
> their contents on the floor, that can be a major disaster. There are
> other issues too; shared fluid means that exudates such as
> formaldehyde or lipids can migrate between lots, and conditions in
> individual lots can affect the fluid environment of the whole jar.
>
> For long-term storage of samples to which access is not likely to be
> needed, however, the vials-in-jars arrangement has the admitted
> advantages of a single closure for multiple samples and space efficiency.
>
> *Paul Callomon*
> /Collection Manager, Malacology, Invertebrate Paleontology and General
> Invertebrates/
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:04 AM
> *To:* Dirk Neumann; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
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> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen
> collection maintenance
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> One more thing: vials can be put upside down to reduce risk of
> desiccation, should the gasket fail.
>
> Bodil
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> Fish collection, Stockholm
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> [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *För *Dirk Neumann
> *Skickat:* den 15 mars 2016 22:57
> *Till:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Ämne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vial jar system for easier specimen collection
> maintenance
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> ... this is a very well considered system to maintain such delicate
> specimens - thanks for sharing this information!
> Dirk
>
>
> Am 15.03.2016 um 19:34 schrieb Alexandra Snyder:
>
> The MSB Division of Fishes uses a system of vial jars to contain
> collections of small fishes and/or small numbers of
> specimens (single cataloged lots), delicate larval fishes and
> eggs, collections of excised stomachs and gonads, and
> developmental series of fish larvae.
>
> The products used: 8 and 10 dram boroscilliate glass
> shell vials, absorbent cotton plugs, 3 liter Le Parfait captive
> lid jars with Duro Buna N rubber gaskets, DataMax vial labels and
> jar label.
>
> No more than 40 vials (or two layers) can be stored in one jar. I
> do not use jars larger than 3 liters (or the ease of finding one
> vial is defeated) but will utilize smaller French captive lid jars
> 1 and 2 liter) with N-Buna gaskets for specialized/static
> collections. The vial jars are topped off before they are stored
> in the cataloged collections.
>
> I have used this system for storing small collections in two
> different collections that I have managed. The MSB system has
> been in place for 25 years and over 1/3 of our collection (about
> 40,000 lots) is archived in the vial jar system. We are a
> collection that serves research in desert fish ecology-life
> histories and changes in aquatic systems of NM and the desert SW
> so our collections contain many larval fishes and redundant series
> from monitoring work. The MSB Divisions of Arthropods and
> Parasites also use a vial jar system with 1 liter Le Parfait jars
> and N-Buna gaskets.
>
> I tried attaching a picture of these vial jars but it was
> rejected. If you have further questions feel free to email me
> and I can send more information.
>
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