[Nhcoll-l] FW: Vermiculite as respiratory hazard

Bacharach, Joan joan_bacharach at nps.gov
Mon Feb 12 13:11:06 EST 2018


Hi Rachael;

We'd be pleased to have someone write a *Conserve O Gram* on the topic.
However, writing a *COG *can take time, given the research and review
process involved.  I agree with you, having the topic appear on the SPNHC
wiki site would certainly ensure a timely discussion.  We can see if
someone would like to volunteer to write the *COG* -- what about it
Vanessa?

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Rachael Perkins Arenstein <
rachael at amartconservation.com> wrote:

> Conserve O Grams are, of course, very useful and widely trusted and
> popular.  It would be up to Joan Bachrach who manages this resource to
> decide whether it is broadly applicable to National Park Service staff but,
> until that time or, in addition, this seems like a topic that would do well
> on the SPNHC wiki site.
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> If any/all of the contributors to this thread volunteer to summarize the
> conversation and suggest appropriate solutions, I can ensure that it is
> posted on the site.  That would also provide a way to distribute and cite
> the relevant information and it has the advantage of a fast turnaround time.
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> *From:* nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailm
> an.yale.edu <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Vanessa
> Rhue
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:49 AM
> *To:* Dirk Neumann <dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de>
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
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> Perhaps this topic could be written up in the NPS Conserve O Gram series.
> This might make the information easy to distribute and cite. Previous short
> papers have also been translated into Spanish.
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> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Dirk Neumann <dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de>
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> Hi Jeff & all
>
> good idea - which countries/ languages would be needed ? So far, I have
> encountered vermiculite only in shipments from US institutions; never saw
> it in loans from European institutions. Maybe just Spanish would be
> sufficient?
>
> Another option would be to notify institutions/colleagues shipping
> specimens on vermiculite about the potential health issues when such loans
> arrive/are discovered. We would thus reach also colleagues which do not
> follow NHColl conversations.
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> All the best
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> Am 09.02.2018 um 22:48 schrieb Jeff Stephenson:
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> Thanks Rob!
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> Is there a way we can get this translated into some other languages and
> spread the word among our international colleagues?
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> an.yale.edu <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Dirk
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> *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2018 2:42 PM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
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>
> Very funny coincidence - James Maclain (NHM London) just brought this up
> in an internal conversation. Actually there is no reason to use it, and
> simple paper towels surely do even better as absorbent material for IATA
> packaging, compared to vermiculite. For A 180 packing, the requirement is
> that the absorbent material must be sufficient to hold the entire fluid per
> packaging in case of leakage. There are no further specifications, and even
> toilet paper would do a perfect job, but admittedly tends to be rather
> unstable compared to normal paper towels when wet.
>
> When I receive such shipments, I carefully open the outer packaging and
> remove the vermiculite into a large zip-lock back and immediately rinse the
> inner packing under water to avoid the dust; vermiculite is also VERY
> electrostatic, and you have it just everywhere.
>
> Thanks for pushing this, Rob!
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> Have a nice weekend
> Dirk
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> Am 09.02.2018 um 20:19 schrieb Rob Robins:
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> Hi Folks,
>
> I have health and safety concerns regarding the use of vermiculite as an
> “outer packet” absorbency material in the shipping of  alcohol preserved
> specimens. We have never used vermiculite in the Florida Museum Fish
> Collection, but I receive many specimen shipments containing it and thus
> must handle it. And as anyone who has touched the stuff can attest, no
> matter how carefully handled, tiny particles of vermiculite end up
> suspended in the air one is breathing.
>
>
>
> A number of scientific papers lead me to conclude my health and safety
> concerns are not unreasonable. Here’s some of what I’ve found:
>
>
>
> ·         No matter where it was mined from, vermiculite is likely to
> contain fibrous minerals.
>
>
>
> ·         That few of these types of fibrous minerals have been formally
> classified as asbestos and regulated as such would appear to be more a
> function of what fibers were in use commercially at the time the
> regulations were created. (Baumann, F., J. P. Ambrosi, and M. Carbone.
> 2013. Asbestos is not just asbestos: an unrecognized health hazard. The
> Lancet Vol 14 June 2013).
>
>
>
> ·         To be certain, vermiculite has at times been found to contain
> asbestiform amphiboles (groups of needlelike silicates clumped together)
> such as winchite, richterite, and tremolite, the latter of which is
> regulated (Sullivan, P. 2007. Vermiculite, respiratory disease, and
> asbestos exposure in Libby, Montana: Update of a cohort mortality study.
> Environmental Health Perspectives Apr; 115 (4): 579-585).
>
>
>
> My question to the list: *Why is anyone using vermiculite as an absorbent
> when inert and safe alternatives such as polypropylene chemical spill
> absorbent pads are widely and cheaply available?* Failing any good answer
> to this question, my follow up would be, can we all please stop?
>
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> Best wishes,
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> Rob Robins
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> P.S. The Baumann paper concludes thusly, and I agree:
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> “The restricted regulatory definition of asbestos to six fibres used
> commercially contributes to miscommunication and uncertainty regarding the
> toxic effects of some fibrous minerals. We propose that all fibrous
> minerals be handled as potentially pathogenic until they are proven safe.
> Moreover, to protect human health, a wider regulatory definition of
> asbestos should include all potentially carcinogenic mineral fibres,
> without distinction of type and commercial use.”
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