[Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
Dirk Neumann
neumann at snsb.de
Wed Jan 27 04:30:51 EST 2021
Hi Andy,
my cautioning remarks were not pro/con ribbons or thermal transfer
printers; as you say, this printing system (thermal transfer) works
pretty well in many collections. The key question in this thread for me
was the "end of life" and the necessary changes this implies - either
within the same printing system, or in cases were you need to introduce
a new system, because it cannot be avoided. One option could be to
pre-print just a huge chunk of inventory numbers with the old
(established) system and to add these together with the new labels -
regardless if these new labels are produced with an entirely new
printing system, or within the same system (i.e. identical printing
media) but on a different printing device.
The devil is a squirrel - there might be a tiny detail that is
different, even when you stay within the same system. And usually there
is a strong tendency that such things become obvious always
'afterwards'. Thus it might be worth to consider precautionary steps for
the transition, e.g. by taking advantage of currently established - and
proofed to be reliable - printing systems and procedures. Such as the
combination of Datamax printers + SDR ribbons.
Maybe I misunderstood Jean-Marc's email, but "SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for
Zebra), we were and are _still_ very satisfied with the Zebra"
sounded to me like a B while he was used to a A+ from the Datamax Mark
II (reading between the lines /well, yes, results still good but surely
not as good as with the Datamax mark II/). We have a lot of labels from
the 1980ies were former staff was experimenting with new labels; some of
them collapse now simultaneously - because the paper itself crumbles
away. Somewhere in the collection. And we have no overview which jars
are affected, but of course recognise this 'after' the label has
collapsed. It would have been just wonderful if they would have just
included the inventory number on the superb old labels they used before.
All the best
Dirk
Am 26.01.2021 um 23:54 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Dirk
>
> This printing SYSTEM (thermal transfer) is fairly ubiquitously
> available and there are a large number of printers and manufacturers
> that produce compatible printers. This printing system is used by a
> large number of communities and commercial entities (airline industry
> for example) which negates the chances that it will become obsolete
> any time soon. It is the media and ribbon combination that is the
> critical element here. Again, the SDR ribbon that is chemical
> resistant is also ubiquitously available from multiple manufacturers.
> However, the spun-bound polyester media currently in use by many
> collections and supplied by Alpha Systems is fairly proprietary and is
> the limiting factor here. Alpha Systems has been naturally very cagey
> about the exact makeup of the media so as to corner the market, but a
> large number of collections are successfully using this system in
> their collections and it not outside the realm of possibility that we
> could find another supplier or suppliers of the media to alleviate
> this problem if we really tried.
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
>
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
> University of Kansas
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> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
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> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dirk
> Neumann <neumann at snsb.de>
> *Reply-To: *"neumann at snsb.de" <neumann at snsb.de>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:02 PM
> *To: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
>
> Hi Jean-Marc and all,
>
> one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have
> to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic
> driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the
> exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of
> possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily
> accelerates, and finding alternatives that meet same standards and
> quality becomes increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.
>
> Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how
> reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even
> reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die
> out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.
>
> Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling
> systems (e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase
> independence, but also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability
> of possible new alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I
> remember correctly, that was one of the key recommendations during the
> Labelling workshop at the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.
>
> This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers
> with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe
> challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are
> phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new
> printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old
> Datamax printer would still be in place.
>
> Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop
> into a formidable nightmare in short time ;-)
>
> All the best
>
> Dirk
>
> Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
>
> David’s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market
> and the lifespan of a printer model.
>
> Like many, we’ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent
> labelling needs.
>
> Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned
> out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider
> in Canada.
>
> This was probably (I’d like to believe) the exception in the lot,
> but still an expensive experience.
>
> As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I
> went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
>
> I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada),
> it was worth trying something different:
>
> ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI
> (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
>
> But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600
> DPI.
>
> You’ll have to compare price and functionality between these
> Datamax and Zebra printers
>
> Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that
> the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need
> to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for
> Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon
> for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.
>
> So there are options available.
>
> Jean-Marc
>
> *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D.
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> Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joe Panella
> *Sent:* January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
> *To:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>
> <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
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> *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
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> I’ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call. I
> also have a replacement ready.
>
>
> JP
>
> *From:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu
> <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
> *To:* David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>;
> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
> David
>
> I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears
> that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be
> discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C2021fc88079846fc45c608d8c2462094%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472953748842899%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=M8PbVzx8Qe4rc7XqH3IDP9xz93M3YA%2BBG9RMHYKrukw%3D&reserved=0>
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> I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be
> produced and supported. This is the printer that most folks have
> currently (at least we do).
>
> So, it appears, crisis averted. I have copied Joe from Alpha
> Systems so he is aware.
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
>
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
> University of Kansas
>
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
>
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
>
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
>
> Email: abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
> <http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
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> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David
> Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
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> <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
> *Subject: *[Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
> Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,
>
> While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative
> at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the
> popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support
> will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences
> they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems)
> or Zebra brand printers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> David A. Boyd
>
> Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
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> Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
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