[Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
Benjamin Frable
bfrable at ucsd.edu
Mon Mar 28 12:03:16 EDT 2022
Hi all,
If you want another inexpensive logger, I have also used a TempStick
<https://tempstick.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwuYWSBhByEiwAKd_n_tQAVGJh4Y040wuzQZp3iUSXkASbt1_uz0MFTcPj2GDgRULcgpAXIxoCvgIQAvD_BwE>
which
has the benefit of connecting to wifi for monitoring remotely and taking AA
batteries instead of weird watch batteries. Was particularly helpful when
we closed for a few months in March 2020.
Cheers,
Ben
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:44 AM Susan Maltby <susan.maltby at utoronto.ca>
wrote:
> I have been using Hobo loggers for years now & love them. I'm not so in
> love with my MX1101s though. I've had issues with the Bluetooth connection
> - sometimes they want to talk to my computer & sometimes not. I contacted
> customer service & the long & the short of it was that he said that
> Bluetooth is not the most robust of platforms. I prefer the UX100 series
> loggers as I have never had a problem downloading the data whether I do it
> directly to my laptop or via the shuttle. I like that the cord to download
> is the same one that I use to download images from my digital camera. My
> 2¢.
>
> Sue Maltby, Conservator, Fellow IIC
> Maltby & Associates Inc.
> Adjunct Faculty, Museum Studies Program/Faculty of Information,
> University of Toronto
> 174 Spadina Ave., #508
> Toronto, Ontario
> M5T 2C2
> susan.maltby at utoronto.ca
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dean
> Pentcheff <pentcheff at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* March 28, 2022 1:31 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
> Once again concurring with Andy:
>
> Yes, with the Bluetooth units it's just a matter of a minute or so to
> stand near the unit (30 m or less), download the data, and relaunch the
> logger. As Andy says, the batteries they use are cheap and last 6–12 months
> (the unit will give you plenty of warning that the battery is getting
> weaker).
>
> That works well for situations where you do not require real-time
> monitoring. There are units that can be plugged into Ethernet, or that can
> link to a WiFi wireless network, but they are indeed significantly more
> expensive. Obviously, they also require a nearby Ethernet tap or active
> wireless (which is often a problem in collections spaces).
>
> If you don't need real-time, the completely stand-alone nature of the HOBO
> loggers (for example, the MX1101 [costs US$145]) makes it really easy to
> put sensors where you want them, not forced where you have wire or WiFi
> connections. It is possible to augment them with an "MX Gateway" (costs
> US$375), which can connect between Ethernet or WiFi and one or more
> Bluetooth loggers that are within Bluetooth range. That provides the
> possibility of starting with standalone monitors that you download by
> walking past, then adding the MX Gateway later if budget permits and
> near-real-time is needed.
>
> -Dean
> --
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> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
> monitoring system
>
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with
> these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can
> download to a smartphone, tablet or computer. There are central monitoring
> systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly
> installation as far as I am aware. The nice thing about these is that they
> are self-contained and cheap.
>
>
>
> - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
> regulary – would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if
> that and it is a very easy process. They all take the CR 2032 watch
> batteries. Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main
> current but will require costly installation. These units can be placed
> anywhere and moved at any time.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
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> USA
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 3:07 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.
>
> - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
> monitoring system
> - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
> regulary – would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com <pentcheff at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Cc:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Bentley, Andrew
> Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.
>
>
>
> We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been
> remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are
> still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since
> then).
>
>
>
> Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor"
> sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened
> housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.
>
>
>
> -Dean
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset. There are various different
> models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth
> connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer. They also
> have an LCD display for real time monitoring.
>
>
>
> The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:
> https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101
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> We have been using them for a long time and they are great. Small enough
> to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
>
> What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers
> into collections?
>
>
>
> Best regards!
>
> Lennart Lennuk
>
> Head of collections
>
> Estonian Museum of Natural History
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