[Nhcoll-l] Birds of prey names
Amos Belmaker
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Sat Oct 29 01:08:05 EDT 2022
Hi Gali,
In Hebrew Dorsim (raptors) refers to the mode of hunting using the feet. The term Dorsei yom (day raptors) is a bit problematic, as it includes both Accipitriformes and Falconiformes but excludes Shrikes.
Dorsei layla (night raptors) refers only to owls because Caprimulgiformes are aerial insectivores so are not raptors.
I agree that common names are annoying.
Hope this help,
Amos
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:54:07 +0000
From: "Frier, Danae PCS" <danae.frier at gov.sk.ca>
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Hello all,
I think the key here is the term "birds of prey", as it typically would refer exclusively to raptors (owls, hawks, falcons, etc). While nighthawks are nocturnal predators, since they are taxonomically different from raptors, they wouldn't be considered a bird of prey. I believe owls are the only bird of prey that are nocturnal, so "owl" might be an appropriate English translation if the Hebrew term is also referring only to raptors and not all avian predators. However, it would also be important to know that not all owls are nocturnal - many are active during the day or at dawn/dusk, i.e. all nocturnal birds of prey are owls, but not all owls are nocturnal birds of prey.
Note that I wouldn't technically consider myself an ornithologist, and there may be exceptions to the above that I'm not aware of - but I think it applies generally.
Regardless, I think Wendy's last sentence is the best advice - "Don't use the word owl on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls."
Cheers,
Danae
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Gali~
Also not an ornithologist so I don't know the common English term for all nocturnal birds (if one exists), but I think lay people calling all nocturnal birds "owls" to be on par with lay people calling all fossils "dinosaurs". It is incredibly incorrect and not something museums should be perpetuating. Although I now work in museum administration, my education background is vert paleo collections and research based and so when I'm working guest experience and someone refers to a non-dinosaur fossil as a dinosaur I will correct them every time.
I know this didn't really answer your question other than please don't use the word "owl" on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.
~~Wendy Beins
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il<mailto:gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear All,
Just checking something that became a point of curiosity for me: I am not an ornithologist, I'm a conservator, so was quite surprised to learn recently something that sounded extremely strange to me. Maybe the bird specialists here can confirm it (or not):
In a discussion on common-language English translation for a term in Hebrew covering all night-time birds of prey ("Dorsei laila", for those of you curious to know some Hebrew!), I was told that the commonly used English-language term to this end was "Owls".
That surprised me very much, since I always thought that this word only referred to true owls (Strigiformes) and did not cover other nightly predators such as nighthawks. Does the term "owl" indeed refer to all nocturnal birds of prey? On a display label, which term would correctly describe all nocturnal birds of prey (owls/nocturnal raptors/nocturnal birds of prey)? This sort of piques my mind and I would be glad to hear your thoughts!
Thanks,
Gali
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 16:09:18 +0000
From: "Opitz, Cindy E" <cindy-opitz at uiowa.edu>
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Could they be using a colloquial term, such as the English term "night owls" (or simply "owls") applied to folks who stay up late or are active at night? Not a bird term, but a pun of sorts? Sometimes exhibition language is playful like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_owl
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Hello all,
I think the key here is the term "birds of prey", as it typically would refer exclusively to raptors (owls, hawks, falcons, etc). While nighthawks are nocturnal predators, since they are taxonomically different from raptors, they wouldn't be considered a bird of prey. I believe owls are the only bird of prey that are nocturnal, so "owl" might be an appropriate English translation if the Hebrew term is also referring only to raptors and not all avian predators. However, it would also be important to know that not all owls are nocturnal - many are active during the day or at dawn/dusk, i.e. all nocturnal birds of prey are owls, but not all owls are nocturnal birds of prey.
Note that I wouldn't technically consider myself an ornithologist, and there may be exceptions to the above that I'm not aware of - but I think it applies generally.
Regardless, I think Wendy's last sentence is the best advice - "Don't use the word owl on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls."
Cheers,
Danae
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Curatorial Assistant - Vertebrate Zoology
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Gali~
Also not an ornithologist so I don't know the common English term for all nocturnal birds (if one exists), but I think lay people calling all nocturnal birds "owls" to be on par with lay people calling all fossils "dinosaurs". It is incredibly incorrect and not something museums should be perpetuating. Although I now work in museum administration, my education background is vert paleo collections and research based and so when I'm working guest experience and someone refers to a non-dinosaur fossil as a dinosaur I will correct them every time.
I know this didn't really answer your question other than please don't use the word "owl" on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.
~~Wendy Beins
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il<mailto:gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear All,
Just checking something that became a point of curiosity for me: I am not an ornithologist, I'm a conservator, so was quite surprised to learn recently something that sounded extremely strange to me. Maybe the bird specialists here can confirm it (or not):
In a discussion on common-language English translation for a term in Hebrew covering all night-time birds of prey ("Dorsei laila", for those of you curious to know some Hebrew!), I was told that the commonly used English-language term to this end was "Owls".
That surprised me very much, since I always thought that this word only referred to true owls (Strigiformes) and did not cover other nightly predators such as nighthawks. Does the term "owl" indeed refer to all nocturnal birds of prey? On a display label, which term would correctly describe all nocturnal birds of prey (owls/nocturnal raptors/nocturnal birds of prey)? This sort of piques my mind and I would be glad to hear your thoughts!
Thanks,
Gali
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 16:12:46 +0000
From: Erin Cashion <ecashion at ohiohistory.org>
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Hi Gali,
I am an ornithologist (technically an avian ecologist) and nomenclature and taxonomy are my special interests! You have touched on the taxonomist's ultimate question, "What's in a name?" I can go on about this for some time, but I will try to keep my response brief and not get into the weeds too much.
You are correct - in English, the word "owl" only refers to birds in the order Strigiformes. If there is a word in English that includes all nocturnally hunting birds, I am not aware of it - but it does not surprise me that other languages do.
A language is built and evolves according to the speakers' needs and their culture, environment, and interactions with other cultures - so common names for living things tend to be only as specific and useful as they need to be. In Hebrew speaking places, there may not have been a need or reason to distinguish between owls and other nocturnally active birds like nightjars (Caprimulgiformes), so separate terms never made it into common use, and newer names from other languages were never adopted. Also, scientific classification and Latin names themselves are only about three hundred years old, so if the common language that one is speaking has been in active use longer than that, it's not surprising that the Latin classification doesn't match up with it.
I think most laypeople can easily recognize the difference between owls and other nocturnal birds of prey, but as Wendy said, this "lumping" of superficially similar species together does happen quite often. One English term that comes to mind is "buzzard". To a layperson this means literally any hawk-like bird that soars, and includes New World vultures - which are not hawks at all. To an ornithologist however, buzzard only refers to species in the Buteo genus! So laypersons and biologists are using this term differently.
This is why common names are a notorious headache for taxonomists. They vary wildly even within a single language, and it's often geographically based. We have a snake here in the US that is variably called black snake, oak snake, chicken snake etc. depending on where in the country you are. They all refer to Pantherophis alleghaniensis. However, "black snake" might also mean Lampropeltis getula or Coluber constrictor! These three species look enough alike that most laypeople won't be able to distinguish them. However, to a layperson, having a more specific name for them doesn't ultimately matter, as they are all harmless and helpful predators that provide the same ecological service.
To a taxonomist, distinguishing them down to species adds a layer of understanding about their ecology and natural history - details that laypeople don't really need to know in order to go about their day. The concept of a "species" is itself arbitrary and made-up by humans to help us make sense of the natural world. Our method of classification has varied as our knowledge and technology has developed, and so the names have changed according to their usefulness.
This is more succinctly captured in the book Alice in Wonderland, in which the titular character has a conversation with a gnat. The gnat asks "What's the use of their having names, if they don't answer to them?" to which Alice answers, "No use to them, but it's useful to the people that name them, I suppose."
What is the literal translation of Dorsei laila? I plugged this phonetic version into Google translate and it was smart enough to give me the words in Hebrew script, which it then translated as "Night raptors". Is this accurate? Is it perhaps "night hunters"? I think a more general term like this would be more useful since it sounds like there is no concept for "owl" in Hebrew.
Finally, to comment on your question about labeling - I would use whatever common term is correct in the language(s) being used, as this will be understood, but also use Latin names alongside them. As Danae recommended, if English is being used in addition to Hebrew on the labels, I would not use the English word "owl" to refer to something that is not in Strigiformes.
I hope this was helpful!
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Hello all,
I think the key here is the term "birds of prey", as it typically would refer exclusively to raptors (owls, hawks, falcons, etc). While nighthawks are nocturnal predators, since they are taxonomically different from raptors, they wouldn't be considered a bird of prey. I believe owls are the only bird of prey that are nocturnal, so "owl" might be an appropriate English translation if the Hebrew term is also referring only to raptors and not all avian predators. However, it would also be important to know that not all owls are nocturnal - many are active during the day or at dawn/dusk, i.e. all nocturnal birds of prey are owls, but not all owls are nocturnal birds of prey.
Note that I wouldn't technically consider myself an ornithologist, and there may be exceptions to the above that I'm not aware of - but I think it applies generally.
Regardless, I think Wendy's last sentence is the best advice - "Don't use the word owl on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls."
Cheers,
Danae
Danae Frier (she/her)
Curatorial Assistant - Vertebrate Zoology
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Also not an ornithologist so I don't know the common English term for all nocturnal birds (if one exists), but I think lay people calling all nocturnal birds "owls" to be on par with lay people calling all fossils "dinosaurs". It is incredibly incorrect and not something museums should be perpetuating. Although I now work in museum administration, my education background is vert paleo collections and research based and so when I'm working guest experience and someone refers to a non-dinosaur fossil as a dinosaur I will correct them every time.
I know this didn't really answer your question other than please don't use the word "owl" on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.
~~Wendy Beins
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il<mailto:gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear All,
Just checking something that became a point of curiosity for me: I am not an ornithologist, I'm a conservator, so was quite surprised to learn recently something that sounded extremely strange to me. Maybe the bird specialists here can confirm it (or not):
In a discussion on common-language English translation for a term in Hebrew covering all night-time birds of prey ("Dorsei laila", for those of you curious to know some Hebrew!), I was told that the commonly used English-language term to this end was "Owls".
That surprised me very much, since I always thought that this word only referred to true owls (Strigiformes) and did not cover other nightly predators such as nighthawks. Does the term "owl" indeed refer to all nocturnal birds of prey? On a display label, which term would correctly describe all nocturnal birds of prey (owls/nocturnal raptors/nocturnal birds of prey)? This sort of piques my mind and I would be glad to hear your thoughts!
Thanks,
Gali
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 16:26:38 +0000
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Hello Colleagues,
We have a fairly sizable backlog of fluid preserved specimens that we need to make labels for. (Vast majority are in a 55% solution of IPA) In the past, we had used a typewriter that was proven to give good results even after decades in fluid (many labels made on this machine dating back to the 1960's still look as good as when they were made) but at some point it was discovered that modern ribbons are of a different spec and no longer stand up well in fluid. As a result, we have handwritten our labels for several years but now need to come up with something more manageable for labelling several hundred specimens.
In reading through past messages here and other literature on the topic, it appears that Thermal Transfer printers are the way to go, but it seems that the Duramax which are usually recommended are no longer produced and the Honeywell printers appear to be a not totally satisfactory replacement. A quick search shows that the Duramax printers are readily available second-hand. My idea was to try to acquire one of these since they are a known quantity and as an added bonus much less costly than the new printers.
My question is, has anyone gone this route before and to those who have used the Duramax over the years, is it feasible to maintain them without outside assistance?
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Big white jobs, little brown jobs and owls. Avian taxonomy made simple.
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Hi Gali,
I am an ornithologist like Erin, and work on birds of prey. I don't know of any common English term that refers to all nocturnal birds that may eat other organisms, but common names are a fun headache for taxonomists. There are agreed upon common names that go through specific committees, and you may want to throw your question past the American Ornithologists Society's taxonomy committee, or the IOC.
There are also cultural and regional common names that are used, and those are really interesting from a historical and cultural point of view. One of my favorite books I found in a used bookstore was North America Birds Folknames and Names by James Kedzie Sayre. Here are a couple of the names that have been used for Caprimulgiformes in North America in the past that could confuse them with entire different groups of animals.
Chordeiles minor: Pork'n'Beans, Long-winged Goatsucker, Bull-bat, Will-o'-the-Wisp, etc.
Caprimulgus carolinensis: Mosquito Hawk, Chip-fell-out-of-a-oak, The Great Bat, etc.
Good luck, and if you find a term please share it. It would be great to add more to how we understand the way we all experience and interact with birds.
cheers,
Beth
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:12:38 +0200
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The same "Nachteule" Cindy mentions also exists in German; usually they don't fly. Well, some topple - and this may include a very tiny brief moment of free air suspension.
These owls predominantly are male specimens, even tough female specimens can be spotted - e.g. in Bavaria usually in late September during the Oktoberfest.
But this "Nachteule" (as a German common species name) can also be an Erebid or Noctuid butterfly, i.e. owlet moths; so if common names are to be used on labels (and the common name potentially applies / could apply t more than one species), it might be worth putting it into context (e.g. Nachteulen- Schmetterling - which already is the case in the more descriptive English owlet moth).
With best wishes
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Am 27.10.2022 um 18:09 schrieb Opitz, Cindy E:
Could they be using a colloquial term, such as the English term ?night owls? (or simply ?owls?) applied to folks who stay up late or are active at night? Not a bird term, but a pun of sorts? Sometimes exhibition language is playful like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_owl
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Hello all,
I think the key here is the term ?birds of prey?, as it typically would refer exclusively to raptors (owls, hawks, falcons, etc). While nighthawks are nocturnal predators, since they are taxonomically different from raptors, they wouldn?t be considered a bird of prey. I believe owls are the only bird of prey that are nocturnal, so ?owl? might be an appropriate English translation if the Hebrew term is also referring only to raptors and not all avian predators. However, it would also be important to know that not all owls are nocturnal ? many are active during the day or at dawn/dusk, i.e. all nocturnal birds of prey are owls, but not all owls are nocturnal birds of prey.
Note that I wouldn?t technically consider myself an ornithologist, and there may be exceptions to the above that I?m not aware of - but I think it applies generally.
Regardless, I think Wendy?s last sentence is the best advice ? ?Don?t use the word owl on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.?
Cheers,
Danae
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Also not an ornithologist so I don't know the common English term for all nocturnal birds (if one exists), but I think lay people calling all nocturnal birds "owls" to be on par with lay people calling all fossils "dinosaurs". It is incredibly incorrect and not something museums should be perpetuating. Although I now work in museum administration, my education background is vert paleo collections and research based and so when I'm working guest experience and someone refers to a non-dinosaur fossil as a dinosaur I will correct them every time.
I know this didn't really answer your question other than please don't use the word "owl" on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.
~~Wendy Beins
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il<mailto:gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear All,
Just checking something that became a point of curiosity for me: I am not an ornithologist, I'm a conservator, so was quite surprised to learn recently something that sounded extremely strange to me. Maybe the bird specialists here can confirm it (or not):
In a discussion on common-language English translation for a term in Hebrew covering all night-time birds of prey ("Dorsei laila", for those of you curious to know some Hebrew!), I was told that the commonly used English-language term to this end was "Owls".
That surprised me very much, since I always thought that this word only referred to true owls (Strigiformes) and did not cover other nightly predators such as nighthawks. Does the term "owl" indeed refer to all nocturnal birds of prey? On a display label, which term would correctly describe all nocturnal birds of prey (owls/nocturnal raptors/nocturnal birds of prey)? This sort of piques my mind and I would be glad to hear your thoughts!
Thanks,
Gali
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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:56:50 +0300
From: Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>
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Hi Erin, and thaks all,
Googlr translate actually gave you the correct translation of "dorsei
laila" - it is indeed "nocturnal raptors". Hebrew also has a term for owls
- "yanshuf" (singular) or "yanshufim" (plural) as well as "yanshufiyim"
(plural, "belonging to the owl group/family).
The situation here arose because as a non-English speaking country, our
displays often provide English translations for tourists. So... If your
display features a group of....er...avian night hunters as opposed to a
group of avian day hunters, what should the English terms be?
By the way, the development of common names in Hebrew is rather unique in
some ways. Hebrew used to be a nearly-dead language for close on two
thousand years, used mainly in prayer (much like Latin) and in
international communication, but there were periods of revival (eg in
Islamic Spain) which yielded great bodies of poetry, plus different Jewish
communities developed local fusions of Hebrew with other languages - such
as Yiddish (Hebrew-German), Ladino (Hebrew-Spanish), Morrocan Hebrew and
many others. Hebrew common names today are sometimes remenants of biblical
times (eg lion, deer, dog, bear etc) and often newer creations offered by
researchers (natural history or linguistics) at the beginning of the 20th
century in a process still continuing to this day, eg nocturnal raptors (a
relatively old "renewal" based on a much older Hebrew term from the period
of the Second Temple, Roman times).
Cheers,
Gali
?????? ??? ??, 27 ????? 2022, 19:12, ??? Erin Cashion ?<
ecashion at ohiohistory.org>:
> Hi Gali,
>
>
>
> I am an ornithologist (technically an avian ecologist) and nomenclature
> and taxonomy are my special interests! You have touched on the taxonomist?s
> ultimate question, ?What?s in a name?? I can go on about this for some
> time, but I will try to keep my response brief and not get into the weeds
> too much.
>
>
>
> You are correct - in English, the word ?owl? only refers to birds in the
> order Strigiformes. If there is a word in English that includes all
> nocturnally hunting birds, I am not aware of it ? but it does not surprise
> me that other languages do.
>
>
>
> A language is built and evolves according to the speakers? needs and their
> culture, environment, and interactions with other cultures ? so common
> names for living things tend to be only as specific and useful as they need
> to be. In Hebrew speaking places, there may not have been a need or reason
> to distinguish between owls and other nocturnally active birds like
> nightjars (Caprimulgiformes), so separate terms never made it into common
> use, and newer names from other languages were never adopted. Also,
> scientific classification and Latin names themselves are only about three
> hundred years old, so if the common language that one is speaking has been
> in active use longer than that, it?s not surprising that the Latin
> classification doesn?t match up with it.
>
>
>
> I think most laypeople can easily recognize the difference between owls
> and other nocturnal birds of prey, but as Wendy said, this ?lumping? of
> superficially similar species together does happen quite often. One English
> term that comes to mind is ?buzzard?. To a layperson this means literally
> any hawk-like bird that soars, and includes New World vultures ? which are
> not hawks at all. To an ornithologist however, buzzard only refers to
> species in the *Buteo* genus! So laypersons and biologists are using this
> term differently.
>
>
>
> This is why common names are a notorious headache for taxonomists. They
> vary wildly even within a single language, and it?s often geographically
> based. We have a snake here in the US that is variably called black snake,
> oak snake, chicken snake etc. depending on where in the country you are.
> They all refer to *Pantherophis alleghaniensis*. However, ?black snake?
> might also mean *Lampropeltis getula* or *Coluber constrictor*! These
> three species look enough alike that most laypeople won?t be able to
> distinguish them. However, to a layperson, having a more specific name for
> them doesn?t ultimately matter, as they are all harmless and helpful
> predators that provide the same ecological service.
>
>
>
> To a taxonomist, distinguishing them down to species adds a layer of
> understanding about their ecology and natural history ? details that
> laypeople don?t really need to know in order to go about their day. The
> concept of a ?species? is itself arbitrary and made-up by humans to help us
> make sense of the natural world. Our method of classification has varied as
> our knowledge and technology has developed, and so the names have changed
> according to their usefulness.
>
>
>
> This is more succinctly captured in the book Alice in Wonderland, in which
> the titular character has a conversation with a gnat. The gnat asks ?What?s
> the use of their having names, if they don?t answer to them?? to which
> Alice answers, ?No use to them, but it?s useful to the people that name
> them, I suppose.?
>
>
>
> What is the literal translation of Dorsei laila? I plugged this phonetic
> version into Google translate and it was smart enough to give me the words
> in Hebrew script, which it then translated as ?Night raptors?. Is this
> accurate? Is it perhaps ?night hunters?? I think a more general term like
> this would be more useful since it sounds like there is no concept for
> ?owl? in Hebrew.
>
>
>
> Finally, to comment on your question about labeling ? I would use whatever
> common term is correct in the language(s) being used, as this will be
> understood, but also use Latin names alongside them. As Danae recommended,
> if English is being used in addition to Hebrew on the labels, I would not
> use the English word ?owl? to refer to something that is not in
> Strigiformes.
>
>
>
> I hope this was helpful!
>
>
>
> Erin
>
>
>
>
>
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> Ohio History Connection | 800 East 17th Ave. Columbus, Ohio 43211
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>
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>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Frier,
> Danae PCS
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2022 11:54 AM
> *To:* Wendy Beins <wendybeins at gmail.com>; Gali Beiner <
> gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>
> *Cc:* NHCOLL-new <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] common English name
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I think the key here is the term ?birds of prey?, as it typically would
> refer exclusively to raptors (owls, hawks, falcons, etc). While nighthawks
> are nocturnal predators, since they are taxonomically different from
> raptors, they wouldn?t be considered a bird of prey. I believe owls are the
> only bird of prey that are nocturnal, so ?owl? might be an appropriate
> English translation if the Hebrew term is also referring only to raptors
> and not all avian predators. However, it would also be important to know
> that not all owls are nocturnal ? many are active during the day or at
> dawn/dusk, i.e. all nocturnal birds of prey are owls, but not all owls are
> nocturnal birds of prey.
>
>
>
> Note that I wouldn?t technically consider myself an ornithologist, and
> there may be exceptions to the above that I?m not aware of - but I think it
> applies generally.
>
>
>
> Regardless, I think Wendy?s last sentence is the best advice ? ?Don?t use
> the word owl on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Danae
>
>
>
> *Danae Frier *(she/her)
>
> Curatorial Assistant ? Vertebrate Zoology
>
>
>
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Wendy
> Beins
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2022 6:52 AM
> *To:* Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>
> *Cc:* NHCOLL-new <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] common English name
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> Gali~
>
> Also not an ornithologist so I don't know the common English term for all
> nocturnal birds (if one exists), but I think lay people calling all
> nocturnal birds "owls" to be on par with lay people calling all fossils
> "dinosaurs". It is incredibly incorrect and not something museums should
> be perpetuating. Although I now work in museum administration, my
> education background is vert paleo collections and research based and so
> when I'm working guest experience and someone refers to a non-dinosaur
> fossil as a dinosaur I will correct them *every* time.
> I know this didn't really answer your question other than please don't use
> the word "owl" on a display label to refer to animals that are not owls.
>
>
>
> ~~Wendy Beins
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Just checking something that became a point of curiosity for me: I am not
> an ornithologist, I'm a conservator, so was quite surprised to learn
> recently something that sounded extremely strange to me. Maybe the bird
> specialists here can confirm it (or not):
>
>
>
> In a discussion on common-language English translation for a term in
> Hebrew covering all night-time birds of prey ("Dorsei laila", for those of
> you curious to know some Hebrew!), I was told that the commonly used
> English-language term to this end was "Owls".
>
>
>
> That surprised me very much, since I always thought that this word only
> referred to true owls (Strigiformes) and did not cover other nightly
> predators such as nighthawks. Does the term "owl" indeed refer to all
> nocturnal birds of prey? On a display label, which term would correctly
> describe all nocturnal birds of prey (owls/nocturnal raptors/nocturnal
> birds of prey)? This sort of piques my mind and I would be glad to hear
> your thoughts!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:12:21 +0000
From: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44 at drexel.edu>
To: Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>, Erin Cashion
<ecashion at ohiohistory.org>
Cc: NHCOLL-new <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Common names
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Cultures that do not primarily use the alphabet in everyday life, such as China, Japan, Thailand, India and many others, usually have vernacular taxonomies that far predate the Linnean system. Adopting Western rules in science was part of the Victorian process of becoming "modern" nation states, but at local level the older words and meanings live on. In some cases they reflect a more detailed knowledge of the ecology and morphology of organisms than that shared in the "scientific" literature, but they fail as a means of reliably defining entities as they are usually too local and situational to be reproducible.
A fascinating 1954 paper related how one researcher took a picture of one of Japan's most common spiders (the Jigumo, or Ground Spider, familiar to Kabuki fans) and showed it to folks in villages from one end of the land to the other, asking "What's this?" He tallied exactly 100 discrete vernacular names for the same organism.
I showed Nagao's later map of the names (and talked about vernacular names in some depth) in this work:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363690920_The_Nature_of_Names_Japanese_vernacular_nomenclature_in_natural_science
Paul Callomon
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates
________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:27:03 +0000
From: Mikkel H?egh Post <mhpost at snm.ku.dk>
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Wanted: producer of square "museum" glas for
exhibitions
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Hi
Here at the Natural History Museum of Denmark we are preparing new exhibitions opening 2025. We need additional square museum glass for wet specimen display -we have a bunch (an example below), but need more sizes. I wonder if any (preferable European) company produce such?
Best regards,
Mikkel H?egh Post
Samlingsmedarbejder, konservator cand.scient.
Statens Naturhistoriske Museum
Zoologisk Museum
Universitetsparken 15
2100 Kbh.?
MOB 60 74 10 25
mhpost at snm.ku.dk<mailto:mhpost at snm.ku.dk>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:53:49 +0200
From: Dirk Neumann <d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>
To: <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Wanted: producer of square "museum" glas for
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Dear Mikkel,
the historic battery jars are no longer produced; alternatively you can use Schott Borosilicate tubes which can be customised in diameter and length (5 cm to 35 cm and up to 2.0 tall). You might have seen the tall wide jar I posted a few days back. But for the collection in Munich they produced tall wide cyclinders (25 cm x 1,0 m) for the Australian lungfishes and Arapaima
These glass cylinders have less tension within the glass and are more stable against temperature and humidity shifts (the battery jars can crack if the temperature e.g. drops within 2-3 days to below 14?C).
One producer is Ga?ner Glastechnik<https://gassner-glastechnik.de/> in Munich; I have been working with them for many years.
You can also check directly with Schott; there is a catalogue, but this is not openly available. But they still produce specimen jars.
The also did some rectangular containers, but smaller ones (approx. 20 cm high and wide).
The other source might be St?lzle Oberglas in Vienna, but usually they only start production if the order is above 200 containers (in the past museums teamed up for orders).
Hope this helps
Dirk
Am 28.10.2022 um 14:27 schrieb Mikkel H?egh Post:
Hi
Here at the Natural History Museum of Denmark we are preparing new exhibitions opening 2025. We need additional square museum glass for wet specimen display -we have a bunch (an example below), but need more sizes. I wonder if any (preferable European) company produce such?
Best regards,
Mikkel H?egh Post
Samlingsmedarbejder, konservator cand.scient.
Statens Naturhistoriske Museum
Zoologisk Museum
Universitetsparken 15
2100 Kbh.?
MOB 60 74 10 25
mhpost at snm.ku.dk<mailto:mhpost at snm.ku.dk>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 13:38:55 +0000
From: "Lazo-Wasem, Eric" <eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu>
To: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44 at drexel.edu>, Gali Beiner
<gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>, Erin Cashion <ecashion at ohiohistory.org>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Common names
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Here at the Peabody Museum, we are currently creating entirely new exhibits for the complete renovation of the museum. As part of this we are having non-traditional scientists create "other stories" that provide alternative interpretations, names, etc. for some of our exhibited material. Paul's excellent thesis on the subject is timely, and truly fascinating. Well done.
Eric
From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Callomon,Paul
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>; Erin Cashion <ecashion at ohiohistory.org>
Cc: NHCOLL-new <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Common names
Cultures that do not primarily use the alphabet in everyday life, such as China, Japan, Thailand, India and many others, usually have vernacular taxonomies that far predate the Linnean system. Adopting Western rules in science was part of the Victorian process of becoming "modern" nation states, but at local level the older words and meanings live on. In some cases they reflect a more detailed knowledge of the ecology and morphology of organisms than that shared in the "scientific" literature, but they fail as a means of reliably defining entities as they are usually too local and situational to be reproducible.
A fascinating 1954 paper related how one researcher took a picture of one of Japan's most common spiders (the Jigumo, or Ground Spider, familiar to Kabuki fans) and showed it to folks in villages from one end of the land to the other, asking "What's this?" He tallied exactly 100 discrete vernacular names for the same organism.
I showed Nagao's later map of the names (and talked about vernacular names in some depth) in this work:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363690920_The_Nature_of_Names_Japanese_vernacular_nomenclature_in_natural_science<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F363690920_The_Nature_of_Names_Japanese_vernacular_nomenclature_in_natural_science&data=05%7C01%7Ceal5%40connect.yale.edu%7C9f5d9ae31f1a43a6351308dab8ddb0d5%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638025559552699065%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=N472aJXiT%2FlOUfapTNDOltB3AaO9e%2Fy%2Bx7Vqp7Cpxuk%3D&reserved=0>
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From: "Bentley, Andrew Charles" <abentley at ku.edu>
To: "Andrews, Tom" <Tom_Andrews1 at baylor.edu>,
"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Labeling Systems for Fluid Preserved Specimens
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Hi Tom
I think the correct brand for these printers is Datamax which was taken over by Honeywell. We have been using Datamax printers for over 15 years here at KU and have had no issues with the two models we have used - Prodigy Max and the I-Class Mark II. They were both very reliable with little to no down time or need for repairs. We are still using the I-Class Mark II and it has been going strong for over 10 years now servicing multiple divisions at the museum through a network connection.
I have heard that newer generations of these printers produced by Honeywell are nowhere near as reliable and have numerous issues. The company that supplied our Datamax printers, Alpha Systems, has since stopped recommending these printers and moved over to CAB Squib printers instead (see attached), that are supposed to be much more reliable and user friendly. Their pricing and recommendations are also attached.
I have not heard of anyone buying a used Datamax printer, but, if treated correctly, Datamax printers can last a long time and as such, if you are able to get your hands on a second hand Datamax I-series printer (the Prodigy Max is very outdated now) and funds are scarce, I would suggest that you go for it (from a quick search it looks like they run about $1000-1300 on eBay and other sites). It also looks like new ones are still to be had at a discount like here: https://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/datamax-o-neil/part-i13-00-43000007.htm. Just a heads up that network cards and optional cutters may not be included but can probably be found as aftermarket add ons. Also, I would suggest that you purchase a 300 dpi or higher (model I-4310 or I-4606) to get the best quality print. Also make sure that you are buying one that predates the Honeywell takeover. However, if you can afford the attached, I would suggest going with a new CAB printer and save the hassle of not knowing the c
ondition of a second hand printer. The print head is the most important part of the printer and the most expensive to replace. If this has been damaged or over used in any way, the printer may be useless. It is important to keep the print head free from dust or other contaminants in order to ensure good printing quality but other than that, the printer requires very little if any maintenance. They can be a little tricky to set up initially and to get the settings just right for ideal print quality but there are lots of people in the museum community using them now so that should not be a problem. Ribbon and media can be ordered through Alpha System regardless of whether you buy a printer from them.
Hope that helps
Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Andrews, Tom
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 11:27 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Labeling Systems for Fluid Preserved Specimens
Hello Colleagues,
We have a fairly sizable backlog of fluid preserved specimens that we need to make labels for. (Vast majority are in a 55% solution of IPA) In the past, we had used a typewriter that was proven to give good results even after decades in fluid (many labels made on this machine dating back to the 1960's still look as good as when they were made) but at some point it was discovered that modern ribbons are of a different spec and no longer stand up well in fluid. As a result, we have handwritten our labels for several years but now need to come up with something more manageable for labelling several hundred specimens.
In reading through past messages here and other literature on the topic, it appears that Thermal Transfer printers are the way to go, but it seems that the Duramax which are usually recommended are no longer produced and the Honeywell printers appear to be a not totally satisfactory replacement. A quick search shows that the Duramax printers are readily available second-hand. My idea was to try to acquire one of these since they are a known quantity and as an added bonus much less costly than the new printers.
My question is, has anyone gone this route before and to those who have used the Duramax over the years, is it feasible to maintain them without outside assistance?
Kind regards,
Tom Andrews
Collections Assistant
Tom_Andrews1 at baylor.edu<mailto:Tom_Andrews1 at baylor.edu>
254-710-1194
Mayborn Museum Complex
Baylor University
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