From tachtorn.meier at yale.edu Thu Dec 7 13:53:45 2023 From: tachtorn.meier at yale.edu (Meier, Tachtorn) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 18:53:45 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Upcoming NACO training Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to share that NACO training for place names will be offered in February 2024. This training will be conducted by Dominique Bourassa and Tachtorn Meier. Note that this training is being offered to those who have already obtained independent status for personal or corporate names and have already had corporate name training. The training will take place on February 6, 8, 13, and 15 from 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. The attendees are expected to review the LC PCC NACO Training slides for describing places on their own before each session; we will share a more detailed training schedule closer to date. Please register for this training at the following link: https://yale.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJIud-6gqz4pGtIpnKhHghVsUU9oTp6j5qpx If you have any questions about this training, please contact Wheat. Best, Jia and Wheat NACO Co-Coordinators -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francis.lapka at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 11:16:18 2023 From: francis.lapka at yale.edu (Lapka, Francis) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:16:18 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Message-ID: Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his "professional name". Shonibare's insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain's imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare's name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: "Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)". MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dominique.bourassa at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 12:35:37 2023 From: dominique.bourassa at yale.edu (Bourassa, Dominique) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 17:35:37 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, "If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility." However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states "Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office." This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I'd be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his "professional name". Shonibare's insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain's imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare's name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: "Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)". MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tachtorn.meier at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 13:39:57 2023 From: tachtorn.meier at yale.edu (Meier, Tachtorn) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 18:39:57 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, I looked at the NAR for Charles III, and I can see the history of his AAP changed from $c Prince of Wales to $c King Great Britain. Why is it not in this case too? I also found this example from DCM Z1, p. 3 [cid:image001.png at 01DA2C32.CADD7930] Best, Wheat From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, "If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility." However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states "Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office." This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I'd be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his "professional name". Shonibare's insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain's imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare's name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: "Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)". MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dominique.bourassa at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 14:16:52 2023 From: dominique.bourassa at yale.edu (Bourassa, Dominique) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:16:52 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wheat, The authorized access point for Charles III follows the rules for title of royalty. The artist does not have a title of royalty. Therefore, we cannot follow the same instructions. RDA has instructions for title of royalty, title of nobility, religious title, and "other term of rank, honour, or office." CBE stands for Order of the British Empire. It's a term that indicates an honor granted to the person. That's why we need to follow instructions at 9.19.1.7. The LC-PCC PS says not to change the name an existing authorized access point to simply add or remove a term of honor. We must decide if the fact that the person has changed name legally is enough to break this policy. Dominique From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Meier, Tachtorn Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:40 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, I looked at the NAR for Charles III, and I can see the history of his AAP changed from $c Prince of Wales to $c King Great Britain. Why is it not in this case too? I also found this example from DCM Z1, p. 3 [cid:image001.png at 01DA2C3A.71D9B7B0] Best, Wheat From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, "If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility." However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states "Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office." This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I'd be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his "professional name". Shonibare's insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain's imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare's name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: "Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)". MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 72176 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From dominique.bourassa at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 14:22:14 2023 From: dominique.bourassa at yale.edu (Bourassa, Dominique) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:22:14 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jia, Thanks for disagreeing with me. I totally understand why you would follow the policy as it is written while I would not in this case. Francis, Is there a way for you to contact the artist to ask him how he feels about this? If you decided to change his authorized access point, you would need some strong arguments in 670 to justify the change. Dominique From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Xu, Jia Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:45 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, Based on your question with the proposed change to the existing AAP by adding $c CBE (?Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- ??), it looks that the artist has the same last name and given name as the name in the current AAP $a. I would say LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7. applies to the situation. Thanks! Jia Jia Xu ?? Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tachtorn.meier at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 14:36:00 2023 From: tachtorn.meier at yale.edu (Meier, Tachtorn) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:36:00 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dominique, Thank you for the explanation! Best, Wheat From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:17 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Wheat, The authorized access point for Charles III follows the rules for title of royalty. The artist does not have a title of royalty. Therefore, we cannot follow the same instructions. RDA has instructions for title of royalty, title of nobility, religious title, and "other term of rank, honour, or office." CBE stands for Order of the British Empire. It's a term that indicates an honor granted to the person. That's why we need to follow instructions at 9.19.1.7. The LC-PCC PS says not to change the name an existing authorized access point to simply add or remove a term of honor. We must decide if the fact that the person has changed name legally is enough to break this policy. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Meier, Tachtorn Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:40 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, I looked at the NAR for Charles III, and I can see the history of his AAP changed from $c Prince of Wales to $c King Great Britain. Why is it not in this case too? I also found this example from DCM Z1, p. 3 [cid:image001.png at 01DA2C3D.F8EB5350] Best, Wheat From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, "If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility." However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states "Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office." This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I'd be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his "professional name". Shonibare's insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain's imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare's name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: "Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)". MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dominique From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:22 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Jia, Thanks for disagreeing with me. I totally understand why you would follow the policy as it is written while I would not in this case. Francis, Is there a way for you to contact the artist to ask him how he feels about this? If you decided to change his authorized access point, you would need some strong arguments in 670 to justify the change. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Xu, Jia Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:45 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, Based on your question with the proposed change to the existing AAP by adding $c CBE (?Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- ??), it looks that the artist has the same last name and given name as the name in the current AAP $a. I would say LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7. applies to the situation. Thanks! Jia Jia Xu ?? Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charles.riley at yale.edu Mon Dec 11 16:20:42 2023 From: charles.riley at yale.edu (Riley, Charles) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 21:20:42 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Tate can?t give out his contact information, but the representing gallery is James Cohan. Charles From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 3:23 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Francis, One thing that it would be interesting to know is what each part of Yinka Shonibare CBE represents in the legal name. I?m assuming Yinka is still a forename. Is Shonibare still the last name or a middle name? Is CBE a last name, part of the last name, or a title? In some online sources, this artist?s name appears as Yinka Shonibare CBE RA. Is CBE the only part that was added to the legal name or is RA also part of the legal name? Answers to these questions could help determine how to proceed. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:22 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Jia, Thanks for disagreeing with me. I totally understand why you would follow the policy as it is written while I would not in this case. Francis, Is there a way for you to contact the artist to ask him how he feels about this? If you decided to change his authorized access point, you would need some strong arguments in 670 to justify the change. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Xu, Jia Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:45 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, Based on your question with the proposed change to the existing AAP by adding $c CBE (?Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- ??), it looks that the artist has the same last name and given name as the name in the current AAP $a. I would say LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7. applies to the situation. Thanks! Jia Jia Xu ?? Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francis.lapka at yale.edu Thu Dec 14 10:26:34 2023 From: francis.lapka at yale.edu (Lapka, Francis) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:26:34 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all for helpful replies. At least one or two colleagues here have avenues of communication with the artist, and I?m waiting to hear back on questions similar to those posed by Dominique below. Based on the evidence so far, and the rules cited in Dominique?s initial response, I think there?s sufficient warrant (theartnewspaper.com | art21 | Tate) for the heading: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- . It seems in the same spirit as creative name changes manifested by other artists in LCNAF. Thanks again, Francis From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Riley, Charles Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:21 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE The Tate can?t give out his contact information, but the representing gallery is James Cohan. Charles From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 3:23 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Francis, One thing that it would be interesting to know is what each part of Yinka Shonibare CBE represents in the legal name. I?m assuming Yinka is still a forename. Is Shonibare still the last name or a middle name? Is CBE a last name, part of the last name, or a title? In some online sources, this artist?s name appears as Yinka Shonibare CBE RA. Is CBE the only part that was added to the legal name or is RA also part of the legal name? Answers to these questions could help determine how to proceed. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:22 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Jia, Thanks for disagreeing with me. I totally understand why you would follow the policy as it is written while I would not in this case. Francis, Is there a way for you to contact the artist to ask him how he feels about this? If you decided to change his authorized access point, you would need some strong arguments in 670 to justify the change. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Xu, Jia Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:45 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, Based on your question with the proposed change to the existing AAP by adding $c CBE (?Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- ??), it looks that the artist has the same last name and given name as the name in the current AAP $a. I would say LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7. applies to the situation. Thanks! Jia Jia Xu ?? Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dominique.bourassa at yale.edu Thu Dec 14 10:47:23 2023 From: dominique.bourassa at yale.edu (Bourassa, Dominique) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:47:23 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your comments, Francis. If you receive a response from the artist, could you let us know what he said? I?m curious. Sharing this kind of information helps me learn how to handle difficult NACO situations. Thanks again, Dominique From: YUL-NACO On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 10:27 AM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Thanks to all for helpful replies. At least one or two colleagues here have avenues of communication with the artist, and I?m waiting to hear back on questions similar to those posed by Dominique below. Based on the evidence so far, and the rules cited in Dominique?s initial response, I think there?s sufficient warrant (theartnewspaper.com | art21 | Tate) for the heading: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- . It seems in the same spirit as creative name changes manifested by other artists in LCNAF. Thanks again, Francis From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Riley, Charles Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:21 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE The Tate can?t give out his contact information, but the representing gallery is James Cohan. Charles From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 3:23 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Francis, One thing that it would be interesting to know is what each part of Yinka Shonibare CBE represents in the legal name. I?m assuming Yinka is still a forename. Is Shonibare still the last name or a middle name? Is CBE a last name, part of the last name, or a title? In some online sources, this artist?s name appears as Yinka Shonibare CBE RA. Is CBE the only part that was added to the legal name or is RA also part of the legal name? Answers to these questions could help determine how to proceed. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:22 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Jia, Thanks for disagreeing with me. I totally understand why you would follow the policy as it is written while I would not in this case. Francis, Is there a way for you to contact the artist to ask him how he feels about this? If you decided to change his authorized access point, you would need some strong arguments in 670 to justify the change. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Xu, Jia Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:45 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, Based on your question with the proposed change to the existing AAP by adding $c CBE (?Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962- ??), it looks that the artist has the same last name and given name as the name in the current AAP $a. I would say LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7. applies to the situation. Thanks! Jia Jia Xu ?? Chinese Technical Services Librarian Yale University Library Technical Services 344 Winchester Avenue New Haven, CT 06511-1918 (203)436-9176 jia.xu at yale.edu From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Bourassa, Dominique Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:36 PM To: Distribution list for YUL NACO catalogers > Subject: Re: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Hi Francis, RDA 9.2.2.7 states, ?If a person has changed his or her name, choose the latest name or form of name as a preferred name. Apply the same instruction for a person who has acquired and become known by a title of nobility.? However, the LC-PCC PS to 9.19.1.7 states ?Unless otherwise changing an existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other term of rank, honour or office.? This LC-PCC PS implies you should not just add CBE to the authorized access point for this artist. However, if the artist legally changed his named, I say this LC-PCC PS no longer applies. We should describe people the way they describe themselves. If the artist wants CBE after his name, I would include it in the authorized access point. But I?d be curious to hear how others interpret these instructions. Dominique From: YUL-NACO > On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM To: yul-naco at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [yul-naco] Yinka Shonibare CBE Our collections include a number of works about (or by) the contemporary British artist Yinka Shonibare CBE. According to my colleagues at YCBA, Shonibare has legally changed his last name to include CBE. Or as Tate puts it, the CBE title is part of his ?professional name?. Shonibare?s insistence here is a sardonic comment on Britain?s imperial past. That said, none of the most prominent databases of artists include CBE in the preferred name form (e.g. AAT, Artists of the World, RKD, Oxford/Benezit). Shonibare?s name is currently established as: Shonibare, Yinka, $d 1962-. Would it be appropriate to revise to: Shonibare, Yinka, $c CBE, $d 1962-? The current authority record includes this 670: ?Artist website, viewed Aug. 31, 2011(uses MBE as part of name)?. MBE was consciously omitted from his name in 2011. Francis Francis Lapka Senior Catalog Librarian Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts Yale Center for British Art 203-432-9672 * britishart.yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dominique.bourassa at yale.edu Thu Dec 21 09:32:15 2023 From: dominique.bourassa at yale.edu (Bourassa, Dominique) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:32:15 +0000 Subject: [yul-naco] Help with NACO record for an underground manga Message-ID: Dear NACO colleagues, I created an authority record for an underground manga magazine that is the subject of a book I cataloged. See online save file #250: Garo (Seirindo?). This is completely out of my comfort zone. Therefore, I would appreciate advice, in particular from those of you who know this type of material and, of course, from those of you who know Japanese. This is the Wikipedia page about the magazine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garo_(magazine). This website shows cover images of 80 volumes, including the first issue: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/monthly-manga-garo/4050-97467/object-appearances/4040-64715/ Here are my questions: * Is the transliteration correct? * Is the preferred title correct: Garo (and not Gekkan manga Garo)? * Following RDA 6.27.1.9 and the accompanying LC-PCC PS, I added a qualifier to the title even though it does not conflict with another title in NAF because it conflicts with other titles in our catalog and in OCLC. I note, however, that there are PCC records for other books about this manga where the choice of title in 630 00 is simply Garo (see for instance 1237994361). Do you agree that adding a qualifier is the right thing to do? * Are there changes I should make to my record? Thanks, and happy holidays, Dominique -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: