[Nhcoll-l] Labels

Fri Mar 27 08:51:21 EDT 2015

Paul, sorry for the misunderstanding!

Might be worth to check archival quality tapes used in libraries to 
restore old maps or to support historic books. These are typically 
designed to remain as inert as possible and should use a long-living, 
high-quality adhesive. We do not have specific experience with such 
tapes, but such tapes have been suggested during a workshop during the 
KUR-workshop in Berlin (aiming to gather expertise to restore historic 
objects in the fluid collections; participants included paper 
conservators). They do work in libraries, so it might worth checking if 
they are stable under fluid storage conditions (especially as Simon 
mentioned some holding fluids tend to leach through containers and could 
influence the properties of the adhesive)

Perhaps check with your library; there is a detailed list inside the 
report of the KUR-project, but I guess the material mentioned in there 
is likely not (or hardly) available in the US. But there should be 
something similar, I guess.

Hope this reply offers better ideas compared to my previous one ...

All the best
Dirk

Am 27.03.2015 um 13:20 schrieb Callomon,Paul:
>
> This thread has gone off into a completely different subject, that of 
> internal labels. To recap, then (as it were): we do not use external 
> labels INSTEAD of internal ones, but IN ADDITION. This is because each 
> of our 300-plus shelves has about 150 bottles on it, and we very 
> regularly take them out and put them back. Having numbers on the lids 
> and sides makes them easy to find and makes it harder to put them back 
> in the wrong place. There is nothing on the outside label except the 
> number. Lifting each bottle to try and see the number on the internal 
> label is a nuisance, as the average size of the bottles is small (2-4 
> ounce) and the number on the internal label is not always easy to see.
>
> *So to repeat the original question*: does anyone know of a pre-cut 
> label that is available in multiple sizes and that will remain stuck 
> to glass and plastics for at least as long as, if not longer than, 
> medical tape (30-40 years)?
>
> *Paul Callomon*
> /Collection Manager, Malacology, Invertebrate Paleontology and General 
> Invertebrates/
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> *From:*nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu 
> [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf Of *Simon Moore
> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 4:45 AM
> *To:* Dirk Neumann
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Labels
>
> Just to put my pennyworth in as I have always advocated labels inside 
> jars, having witnessed external labels and data sets that have either 
> detached over time or disintegrated due to preservative leaching into 
> them.
>
> With all good wishes, Simon.
>
> Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR
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> On 27 Mar 2015, at 07:33, Dirk Neumann <dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de 
> <mailto:dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de>> wrote:
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>
>
> Hi all,
>
> two thoughts on this:
>
> like Andy, I would also rather use internal labels for alcohol 
> collections instead of external ones; adding to Gretchen's cautioning, 
> consider that the adhesives do age and that the stability of the 
> adhesives might also be influenced (in case of plastic containers) 
> from the plastics itself. At some point they will fail, which might 
> entail a lot of work keep the data with specimen lots.
>
> "Labelling", as well as "printing", is always the combination of 
> printing medium and imprinting method. Even though you buy the same 
> brand, the composition might change (especially that of labels, even 
> if they are of archival quality). So if you want to introduce new 
> handy labels, it might be worth to test if the new labels work with 
> your imprinting method.
>
> Cheap & reliable alternative for internal labels:
> Old HP 500&600 DeskJet printers and original HP cartridge hp 45 black 
> in combination with high quality transparent paper as internal labels. 
> Works not only in alcohol, but also in water based solutions (e.g. 
> during formalin fixation and are fairly stable during alcohol ladder 
> specimen transfer)
>
> All the best
> Dirk
>
>
>
> Am 26.03.2015 um 22:06 schrieb Anderson, Gretchen:
>
>     For anyone using sharpies – please test to make sure that they are
>     not soluble in any solvent you might be using near them –
>     including water.  Be warned – the older ones are light sensitive,
>     and they color shift.  They are also soluble in alcohol and
>     acetone.  I have not tested the newest version that are supposed
>     to be “archival”.  There are other pens that you can use.
>
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>     Maybe Paul is like me and doesn’t have a budget for
>     thermal-transfer-printing equipment like that? Would people with
>     the equipment consider running print batches for people who don’t
>     have the equipment, for a fee? Does anyone do that already?
>
>     Cindy Opitz
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>     Paul
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>     Silly question but why are you labelling jars and lids instead of
>     placing labels within the jar using the thermal transfer printing
>     system available from Alpha Systems being used by a large number
>     of extant alcoholic collections?  The labels are unaffected by
>     alcohol or formalin and do not yellow, brittle or fade over time
>     and also do not leach anything into the fluid.  We have been using
>     them for 10+ years and have been very happy.
>
>     Andy
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>     Folks,
>
>     We are starting work on rehousing our entire alcohol-preserved
>     mollusk collection, comprising about 50,000 bottles. For many
>     years we have used medical tape to label jars and lids, writing on
>     it with sharpies. This works pretty well, as the tape stays stuck
>     to glass or plastic for over 40 years. However, for the next round
>     of rehousing I’d prefer to use pre-cut labels for the sake of
>     neatness and speed.
>
>     Does anyone know of a suitable label? It can be cloth or paper,
>     and should ideally be available in various sizes and shapes. I’m
>     especially keen on finding a good circular label for the caps of
>     regular 4- and 6-dram screw-top vials.
>
>     *Paul Callomon*
>     /Collection Manager, Malacology, Invertebrate Paleontology and
>     General Invertebrates/
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