[Nhcoll-l] FW: Vermiculite as respiratory hazard

Vanessa R. Rhue vrhue at nhm.org
Mon Feb 12 14:02:48 EST 2018 

Hi Joan,

Thanks for the invite! I've been interested in 
developing best practices for wrapping and 
shipping specimens sent on institutional loan so 
this thread piqued my interest. But since my 
expertise deals with vertebrate fossils, a COG 
submission on this topic should probably come 
from someone who regularly handles wet collections.

Rachel's suggestion of the SPNHC Wiki is great 
too. I'm supportive of both these initiatives. 
Getting H&S information out to the people 
entrusted with handling these specimens and 
making decisions about materials and methods for shipment is important.

Cheers,

VRR


Vanessa R. Rhue
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At 10:11 AM 02/12/2018, Bacharach, Joan wrote:
>Hi Rachael;
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>We'd be pleased to have someone write a Conserve 
>O Gram on the topic.  However, writing a COG can 
>take time, given the research and review process 
>involved.  I agree with you, having the topic 
>appear on the SPNHC wiki site would certainly 
>ensure a timely discussion.  We can see if 
>someone would like to volunteer to write the COG -- what about it Vanessa?
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>​Joan​
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>On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Rachael 
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>Conserve O Grams are, of course, very useful and 
>widely trusted and popular.  It would be up to 
>Joan Bachrach who manages this resource to 
>decide whether it is broadly applicable to 
>National Park Service staff but, until that time 
>or, in addition, this seems like a topic that 
>would do well on the SPNHC wiki site.
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>If any/all of the contributors to this thread 
>volunteer to summarize the conversation and 
>suggest appropriate solutions, I can ensure that 
>it is posted on the site.  That would also 
>provide a way to distribute and cite the 
>relevant information and it has the advantage of a fast turnaround time.
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>[mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Vanessa Rhue
>Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:49 AM
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>Cc: <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
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>Perhaps this topic could be written up in the 
>NPS Conserve O Gram series. This might make the 
>information easy to distribute and cite. 
>Previous short papers have also been translated into Spanish.
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>On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Dirk Neumann 
><<mailto:dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de>dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de> wrote:
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>Hi Jeff & all
>
>good idea - which countries/ languages would be 
>needed ? So far, I have encountered vermiculite 
>only in shipments from US institutions; never 
>saw it in loans from European institutions. 
>Maybe just Spanish would be sufficient?
>
>Another option would be to notify 
>institutions/colleagues shipping specimens on 
>vermiculite about the potential health issues 
>when such loans arrive/are discovered. We would 
>thus reach also colleagues which do not follow NHColl conversations.
>
>All the best
>Dirk
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>Am 09.02.2018 um 22:48 schrieb Jeff Stephenson:
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>Thanks Rob!
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>Is there a way we can get this translated into 
>some other languages and spread the word among our international colleagues?
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>To: <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
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>Very funny coincidence - James Maclain (NHM 
>London) just brought this up in an internal 
>conversation. Actually there is no reason to use 
>it, and simple paper towels surely do even 
>better as absorbent material for IATA packaging, 
>compared to vermiculite. For A 180 packing, the 
>requirement is that the absorbent material must 
>be sufficient to hold the entire fluid per 
>packaging in case of leakage. There are no 
>further specifications, and even toilet paper 
>would do a perfect job, but admittedly tends to 
>be rather unstable compared to normal paper towels when wet.
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>When I receive such shipments, I carefully open 
>the outer packaging and remove the vermiculite 
>into a large zip-lock back and immediately rinse 
>the inner packing under water to avoid the dust; 
>vermiculite is also VERY electrostatic, and you have it just everywhere.
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>Thanks for pushing this, Rob!
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>Have a nice weekend
>Dirk
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>Am 09.02.2018 um 20:19 schrieb Rob Robins:
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>Hi Folks,
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>I have health and safety concerns regarding the 
>use of vermiculite as an “outer packet” 
>absorbency material in the shipping of  alcohol 
>preserved specimens. We have never used 
>vermiculite in the Florida Museum Fish 
>Collection, but I receive many specimen 
>shipments containing it and thus must handle it. 
>And as anyone who has touched the stuff can 
>attest, no matter how carefully handled, tiny 
>particles of vermiculite end up suspended in the air one is breathing.
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>A number of scientific papers lead me to 
>conclude my health and safety concerns are not 
>unreasonable. Here’s some of what I’ve found:
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>·         No matter where it was mined from, 
>vermiculite is likely to contain fibrous minerals.
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>·         That few of these types of fibrous 
>minerals have been formally classified as 
>asbestos and regulated as such would appear to 
>be more a function of what fibers were in use 
>commercially at the time the regulations were 
>created. (Baumann, F., J. P. Ambrosi, and M. 
>Carbone. 2013. Asbestos is not just asbestos: an 
>unrecognized health hazard. The Lancet Vol 14 June 2013).
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>·         To be certain, vermiculite has at 
>times been found to contain asbestiform 
>amphiboles (groups of needlelike silicates 
>clumped together) such as winchite, richterite, 
>and tremolite, the latter of which is regulated 
>(Sullivan, P. 2007. Vermiculite, respiratory 
>disease, and asbestos exposure in Libby, 
>Montana: Update of a cohort mortality study. 
>Environmental Health Perspectives Apr; 115 (4): 579-585).
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>My question to the list: Why is anyone using 
>vermiculite as an absorbent when inert and safe 
>alternatives such as polypropylene chemical 
>spill absorbent pads are widely and cheaply 
>available? Failing any good answer to this 
>question, my follow up would be, can we all please stop?
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>Best wishes,
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>Rob Robins
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>P.S. The Baumann paper concludes thusly, and I agree:
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>“The restricted regulatory definition of 
>asbestos to six fibres used commercially 
>contributes to miscommunication and uncertainty 
>regarding the toxic effects of some fibrous 
>minerals. We propose that all fibrous minerals 
>be handled as potentially pathogenic until they 
>are proven safe. Moreover, to protect human 
>health, a wider regulatory definition of 
>asbestos should include all potentially 
>carcinogenic mineral fibres, without distinction of type and commercial use.”
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