much ado about puffy

[Mark Mays]

As this thread gets further OT:
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From: "ander025" <ander025 at umn.edu>
To: <KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: much ado about puffy


> Puffy certainly aren't alternative artists. Neither are they idols on the
> old model of Matsuda Seiko or the newer model of Amuro Namie and Speed. If
> we reduce "idolization" to celebrity or fashion-driving status than what
> about Kurt Cobain? He made ripped jeans more popular. And he wore makeup.
> Was he an idol?

In the context of American pop music, yes, after the fact. I don't know, can
you talk about the concept of idoru in that context?

>
> Anyone who puts out a CD gets marketed in some form. I find Puffy a lot
> more interesting than say, Avril Lavigne, both musically and in terms of
> image. They don't actively seem to be presenting themselves as something
> they aren't in the same way. They don't pretend to be artists though they
> sing pretty well, but they have an anti-glamour look.

This a definition of idol or a perception?