Questions re Manga-based Japanese Live Action Films

[Christophe Thouny]

well first, i guess many would agree with me that you cannot define  
otaku simply as "creepy guys without a life".

thats the usual image vehiculated by media in Japan and the rest of  
the world, stigmatizing the otaku as asocial-passive-unproductive- 
immature individuals (often presented as male), an image recently  
reproduced by reification of the otaku as a social category (akiba...).

Otaku are usually defined by their topics of interests (as mania) and  
also in a more interesting way  by their practices of consumptions  
(image consumption, treatment of information, networking...).

as for my use of the term deotakuization, it was more pointing to an  
absorption of practices of expression (and reading) characteristic of  
anime and manga texts (until now labelled as specifically "otaku"  
even though other people were reading them) into most of the media  
sphere (anime, movies, advertisement, TV...) which allows now for a  
redefinition of what is to be  labelled as otaku, in a more  
restricted and closed form, namely akiba-moe. the "de-" resonates  
with Okada's recent claim that "the otaku is dead" at at time where  
we get numerous remakes of manga.

and mark, i agree I was pushing the point too far talking about anime  
NOW  aiming at non-otaku. I just had in mind the case of gundam seed,  
consicously shifting its target toward a more general audience.

Now I am wondering if there is something specific to manga & anime  
here, or if this is just another form of remaking, resampling not  
particularly new in the film industry. In particular does, and if yes  
how, the manga form influence the film form in the making of such  
movies?

christophe

Le 06-08-15 ? 22:03, Lewis Cook a ?crit :

>
> On Aug 15, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Christophe Thouny wrote:
>
>> Having an interminable thread on this topic is in itself revealing  
>> of the increasing re-sampling re-mixing of manga-anime culture in- 
>> by-with film  production (although tokusatsu have been around for  
>> a while). Another side-thread  might be the increasing (?) use of  
>> manga-anime expressions (hy?gen) in movies not directly based on a  
>> manga. And more generally to what I see as a  
>> dissemination/'deotakuization' of manga-anime culture in Japan  
>> (but not only) with anime now aiming at non-otaku (understand  
>> anybody watching TV) such as Gundam Seed. Any thought on this?
>>
>> Le 06-08-15 ? 20:28, Lewis Cook a ?crit :
>>
>>> I haven't been paying much attention, so I hesitate to ask, but  
>>> is there any 'thoughtiness' (thanks due here to Stephen Colbert)  
>>> behind this seemingly interminable thread? I've heard that there  
>>> are people who collect empty beer cans, and evidently there are  
>>> lots of people who collect titles of films based on manga. So what?
>>>
>>>
>>> LCook
>
>
> You're right and I apologize for the sarcasm. But doesn't your  
> word, "deotakuization," mis-epitomize the vectors that recent  
> anime / manga have been following? Weren't otaku supposed to be  
> pretty creepy guys without a life? Is that "de-" sufficient to  
> account for diversion into the mainstream ("anyone watching TV")?  
> (I think it would help if you could answer such a question without  
> using the word 'culture.')
>
> Lewis