wikipedia amnornes
Tue Feb 27 08:47:24 EST 2007

Interesting that this should come up now, as Kinema Club's mentor/space 
donor/cheerleader Maureen Donovan just pointed me to a new initiative 
she's working on at OSU. It uses wikis connected to special 
collections, like the one for shashi at OSU. Because there has been 
discussion on KineJapan about encyclopedias, I've thought it might be 
interesting to try a Japanese moving image history wiki on Kinema Club. 
But it would have to be done with great planning and care to attend to 
the issues Jasper raises: quality, plagiarism, style, etc.....


Quoting "" < at>:

> While I personally find Wikepedia pretty handy to have at hand for some
> quick research, I think it is going to have a far profounder effect in the
> long run.
> Speaking as someone who ekes out an incredibly tenuous living writing about
> Japanese film, I am very concerned about the bulk of the entries that
> paraphrase, and in the worst case downright plagiarise entries from me and
> Tom's Midnight Eye Guide or the website without giving due credit, and I
> would dare say that there are a number of other writers on this list whose
> book sales are probably going to be hit as well.
> I am not sure what the legal recompense writers working in specialist fields
> have for attacking a behemoth like Wikipedia, but what I can imagine
> probably happening is that people will just stop writing reference books in
> the dictionary / encyclopedia mould.
> The question of whether "History Can Be Open Source" is a really interesting
> one - I spent a while trawling around Wikipedia looking for info on the
> Arab-Israeli conflict, navigating through the maze of hyperlinks that lead
> one through the Six-Day War through the PLO, the PLFLP, the SLA, the
> Lebanenese Civil War etc and it is amazing how much individual spin the
> writers of each entries put on history. Its blatantly obvious in most cases
> whether the contributor lie with Palestine or Israel. The fact that the
> contributors and editors are anonymous on this site really bothers me, but
> also, what seems like a strength - this ideal of "consensual history", or
> "history is written by the first person that takes an hour out of their
> evening schedule to write it down" is also quite evidently a major weakness;
> there is no cohesiveness to anything. What we have is like the imdb, full of
> errors, but potentially rather more dangerous in that while it really
> effects no one if the wrong name is given for the dolly grip in Men in Black
> 2, when historical innaccuracies or matters of opinion get set in stone we
> have a rather dangerous situation.
> Jasper Sharp
> --
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> ===
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> The Midnight Eye Guide to New Japanese Film (Stone Bridge Press)
> by Tom Mes and Jasper Sharp
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> English."
> - Newtype USA
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: KineJapan at
> To: KineJapan at <KineJapan at>
> Subject: wikipedia
> Date: 26/02/07 17:33
>> Dear Anne and Joe
>> This article was posted on H-1960s a while ago and I thought
>> it was interesting:
>> &quot;Can History be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the
>> Past&quot;
>> Roy Rosenzweig
>> This article was originally published in The Journal of
>> American History
>> Volume 93, Number 1 (June, 2006): 117-46.
>> Also available online at:
>> One of the things that it shows is that if you are writing
>> on a topic that other people have opinions about, it can be
>> frustrating to keep the entry the way you think it should
>> be. Wikipedia has a tendency to veer towards popular forms
>> of history, intersted in accumulating facts.
>> As for Anne's wish to make the Japan entries more
>> contemporary, I couldn't agree more. But at the same time
>> point out that not everyone is living in
>> that &quot;contemporary.&quot; If editing starts to involve a back and
>> forth between two versions, it can be helpful to have a few
>> people working on it to keep one version in place. This
>> might not be the situation with Japan entries, in which case
>> you can edit the entries in whichever way you see fit.
>> As for Joe's comment, I was intersted in his proposal to
>> have smaller wikis for certain subjects. I wasn't sure why
>> this should be the case. Do you mean wikis with limited
>> access so that only relative experts can contribute? If not,
>> I would think the wikipedia architecture (barring the
>> language issues) provides a pretty good space - any number
>> of subcultures can exist on it.
>> Take care
>> Justin Jesty
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