problems with pupae at the airport?
semjase at aol.com
Wed Aug 4 14:36:13 EDT 1999
>Subject: Re: problems with pupae at the airport?
>From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup)
>Date: Wed, 04 August 1999 11:48 AM EDT
>Message-id: <37A85E01.63ED at ix.netcom.com>
>I hate to re-ignite this thread, but I was unable to respond over the
>past few days. First, as for "inflammatory comments", I think that
> " Mike's response is a powerful display of ignorance combined with
>stupidity" is MUCH more inflammatory than anything I said.
>Second, there was no ignorance OR stupidity on MY part. I realize that
>imported pests can cause havoc. And, I know that Gypsy moths were
>brought in by a individual. I ain't stupid.
>But, lets examine some facts here. MOST runaway exotics were imported
>WITH PERMISSION by the USDA. In fact, in many cases, it WAS thier idea.
>These are the same people who regulate me. The second most prevalent
>cause of exotic introductions is commerce. Zebra mussels, Noctua
>pronuba....they all "just got here"....didn't need any help from
>anybody. And, I've reared Lasiocampids, I see how they hide. How long
>would it have been before The Gypsy moth got here on it's own thru
>commerce? And, once it was here, the same people who want to regulate
>me, in thier ignorance, started a MASSIVE spraying program which, not
>only extended the duration and destruction of Gypsy moth infestations
>(they tend to defoliate and move on....spraying decreased the population
>numbers which inhibited the defolition - so there was no reason to move
>on), it also destroyed native leps up and down the east coast. Third,
>most species expand thier range due to some change in the environment -
>or due to the actions of some catalyst. Birds carry plant seeds far
>from thier original homes and deposit them. This is natures way. How
>can ANYBODY as a mere human be so arrogant as to think THEY know what
>nature's plan is. One of the reasons nature may have put humans here
>may have been to change the environment. We don't know. To try to hold
>the earth in environmental stasis is a stupid, foolish idea. It's never
>been that way in the past, and it will never be that way in the future.
>Yet, we humans, have the unmitigated audacity to think we know better.
> And, even if I do agree that importing things and letting them run
>loose is "bad", why does this need to be done at the federal level?
>Does Alaska need the same restrictions as Hawaii....I don't think so.
>Yet, that is how it is done. And, if you tried to get a permit to
>import a tropical species, say, Atlas moths, into Alaska - as a private
>citizen, it would, most likely, be turned down by Mr. Flanders at the
>USDA. Are we afraid of Atlas moths...whose larvae die quickly at
>temperatures under 70°, are going to decimate the tundra....I don't
>Last, looking back thru history, MOST great achievements were performed
>by INDIVIDUALS not groups or governments. So, it would only stand to
>reason that individuals will be responsible for some of the foul ups
>(ie. Gypsy moths). But, if you look at the forest, and not the trees,
>you would realize that our government and large businesses (with
>governments permission) have caused more environmental disasters in the
>past 20 years than the sum of all idividuals throughout history. And,
>if you looked at the ratio of achievements / problems, I think the
>individual wins hands down. Yet, you are willing to deny resources to
>the individual and place them in the hands of the government. Not THAT
>is both ignorant and stupid.
> And, my real point of all of this NOT to argue the merits of
>importation or not. As an American citizen, I read and re-read the
>constitution and federalist papers regularly. It is my duty
>(John....when was the last time YOU read the constitution?). And, the
>bottom line is OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO
>REGULATE ME. Sure, congress may have passed unconstitutional laws and
>set up unconstitutional agencies.... And that is what I am complaining
>about. The socialists have been incrementally destroying our
>constitution with help from an ignorant public....who want everything
>safe and cozy. Well folks, wake up, Freedom is NOT safety. In fact,
>they are diametrically opposed.
>I will now drop this subject forever (thank GOD!) and leave you with one
>of my favorite quotes:
>"Anyone who trades thier freedom for safety deserves neither".
Well said Mike!
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