pronunciations

[Neil Jones]

In article <3882EBA9.F3641CB1 at csm.ex.ac.uk>
           A.P.K.Torry at csm.ex.ac.uk "Andrew Torry" writes:

> Pierre Zagatti wrote:
> > 
> > Matthew Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > ...Woulds that be
> > > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyllllantysiliogogogochii or
> > > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyllllantysiliogogogochiensis?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > 
> > Indeed there was a complex of sibling species, the former should become
> > Neiljonesia
> > pseudollanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyllllantysiliogogogochioides.
> > 
> > Never begin your species name AFTER the 15th column of your text.
> > 
> > Have a good  year !
> > 
> > --
> > Pierre ZAGATTI
> > INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques
> > 78026 Versailles Cedex
> > FRANCE
> > Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18
> > e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr
> > http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/
> 
> Now come on people lets get sensible about this. I understand that the
> local people ie 'Resident subspecies' refer simply refer to the place as
> 'Lannfairpwll' or sometimes just 'HOME'. So surely we could get away

No it is definately TWO Ls. The double L sound is pronounced differently.
(it can become one L and is pronounced so in certain gramatical situations.)
SO the locals wouldn't. This illustrates the point I am making about
pronouncabilty. Most of you wouldn't get past the first syllable.
The LL sound is said by putting your tongue in the same place as
for L widening the mouth slightly and blowing through one side. It is unvoiced.
The original place name was Llanfairpwllgwyngyll. (LhahnVaheeRR Poolh GwinGilh
the Poolh is like put but different on the end. Guess what? It means pool.)
It means the Parish of St Mary (Mair) of the white whirlpool.
Someone had the bright idea of adding the rest after it in the last century.
People do refer to it as Llanfairpwll, Llanfairpwllgwyngyll or Llanfair P.G.
There are lots of Llanfairs in Wales.

> with 'llanfairpwlliensis'. I always understood that the second half of a
> scientific name should start with a lower case letter as in
> 'llanfair...' rather than 'Llanfair'.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> PS At least it's better than shouting at each other about whether to
> collect or not. And a lot more fun to read.
> 
> 

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