Jules Poirier lectures in British Columbia

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Sat Sep 16 21:42:38 EDT 2000

In article <8FB153046dickcruswestnet at>,
  foo.dickcr at uswest.net (Dick C.) wrote:
> jarofclay at my-deja.com wrote in <8pv3t8$sim$1 at nnrp1.deja.com>:
> >---
> >
> >Press Release
> >September 15, 2000
> >
> >
> >The Original Navigational Micro-Computer
> >THE MONARCH BUTTERFLY: A lecture (with slides) by Jules H. Poirier
> Looking at where he is going to speak, it is easy to see that poirier
> is just another clueless fundie speaking about something that he has
> little or no understanding. An engineer speaking about biology.
> >
> >Jules H. Poirier, a retired design electronics engineer from San Diego,
> >will be speaking in six British Columbia cities on the design features
> >of the monarch butterfly from Sept. 23 - 30. The lecture series is
> >sponsored by the Creation Science Association of British Columbia
> ><http://van.planeteer.com/~creation>.
> >
> >Jules H. Poirier:
> >
> >* senior design specialist electronics engineer
> >
> >* studied electrical engineering, physics and mathematics at the
> >University of California (Berkeley)
> >
> >* has worked for the U.S. Navy, Ryan Aeronautics and the Electronics
> >Division of Convair
> >
> >* designer of radar FM altimeter on Apollo Lunar Landing Module
> >
> >With experience in designing guidance systems, Mr. Poirier began
> >studying the guidance system of the monarch butterfly. His conclusion is
> >that the prior claim of a Creator dwarfs the efforts of man, and that
> >this design could not have evolved.
> Now, give his areas of work and study above, how does any of this imply
> that he knows enough about the evolutionary history of insecets, or even
> butterflies, to make any kind of statement about them?
> --
> Dick #1349
> People think that libraries are safe places, but they're not,
> they have ideas.
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Poirier writes in:

Design Features of the Monarch Butterfly Life Cycle
by Jules H. Poirier

>                                   Design
>Two polar-opposite views are put forward to explain the order in the
>universe: the "chance" theory and the "design" theory of creation. The
>chance theory grew out of Greek philosophy as the Epicurean Hypothesis in
>about 400 B.C.[2] It received its strongest support from Darwin's theory of
>evolution, and is acclaimed today by materialists such as David L. Hull, who
>said: "Darwin's theory was one of the chief instruments in the final
>trivializaton of teleology."[3]
>Design theory had its foundation in Scripture (Nehemiah 9:6), and has been
>championed by many scholars over time, including William Paley,[4] with his
>"Natural Theology" in the 18th century.
>At least eight categories of design are put forward as evidence for a
>designer: order, purpose, simplicity, complexity, beauty, sense and
>cognition, information, and cosmic constants. "The design argument in
>analogy form is empirical or a posteriori. It makes an appeal to evidence in
>the form of generalizations."[5] An empirically based design statement by
>itself is unable to "prove" a designed universe with certainty.[6] But, as
>Denton says, "It is the sheer universality of perfection, the fact that
>everywhere we look, to whatever depth we look, we find an elegance and
>ingenuity of an absolutely transcending quality, which so mitigates against
>the idea of chance."[7]
>                                 Conclusion
>When one examines the life and migration cycles of the monarch butterfly, it
>is easy to see design features which point back to a Designer. There is
>inexorable order in the repeatable progress of developmental stages. An
>incredible plan unfolds in the transforming pupal stage, through larval
>disintegration and reintegration to the miracle and beauty of a winged
>insect. Simplicity in feeding, complexity in navigation, beauty in
>coloration all speak of incredibly packed information in its genetic
>message. By whatever means it is drawn or directed to make such Herculean
>flights to its wintering grounds, there must be some type of implanted
>foreknowledge in its very being that makes it all possible.


14.Describe one insect that was transitional between a non-flying
insect and a flying insect.

and I'll add a follow-up:

>From what creatures did butterflies evolve?

David Buckna

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