Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California

[Jim Taylor]

Glad to hear from another "Paul supporter." I think Mr. Cherubini takes a
good deal of undeserved bashing on occasion.
 
Jim Taylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Page" <pageclan at email.msn.com>
To: <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California
 
 
> I've seen, heard and Paul's extremely professional profession that he has
> given in front of many leading researchers and he never has condoned the
> destruction of habitat.  He has simply documented the fact that Monarchs
in
> California seem to do 'fine' when they cluster directly over a six lane
> highway (now that is a photo I wish all could see) or over someone's
> 'ranchero'.   They even cluster in some very arid locations.
>
> Unless the state of California begins limiting the number and types of
trees
> that can be planted on private property (I'm dense sometimes, maybe this
is
> already the case!) the Monarchs won't run out of overwintering sites.
Paul
> is more of a helpful activist in this arena than most folks believe.  He
> gets many calls and advises interested corporations and other folks with
> private property on what types of trees to plant if they are interested in
> creating or maintaining enviroments to which Monarchs are typically
> attracted.  A pro-active approach with interested companies and
individuals
> in creating attractive environments seems to be a good approach.
>
> Barbara Page
> professional lepidopterist wannabe
> mostly leps lurker
> accepting donations for plane tickets to Morelia.....
> frumpy housewife in Pittsburgh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DR. JAMES ADAMS" <JADAMS at em.daltonstate.edu>
> To: <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California
>
>
> > Paul Cherubini wrote:
> >
> > > All three of these golf course overwintering sites were created
> > > inadvertently during the period between 1930-1975 when exotic
> > > Australian eucalyptus trees were planted during golf course
> > > construction. They are a fine example of how the tree planting
> > > that routinely accompany's real estate development, often
> > > inadvertently creates new monarch habitats (although sometimes also
> > > destroys existing habitats). Thus, it seems inconceivable that
> > > California monarchs could ever "run out" of suitable overwintering
> > > habitats since mankind will always be building golf courses, city
> > > parks, cemeteries and similar green belts within our largest urban
> > > centers.
> >
> > Two things:
> >
> > 1.  To give Paul credit, he does mention destruction of habitat for
> > other species in creating golf courses, etc.  Even though it *might*
> > provide habitat for Monarchs, I don't think we want to run around
> > condoning destruction of natural habitat on the off chance that it
> > provides Monarch overwintering grounds.
> >
> > 2.  Just because *past* development practices have led to some
> > apparent appropriate Monarch habitat does *not* mean
> > development practices are the same today, or will remain the same
> > in the future.  You *cannot* assume that golf courses built today
> > will actually provide appropriate Monarch habitat.
> >
> > james
> >
> > Dr. James K. Adams
> > Dept. of Natural Science and Math
> > Dalton State College
> > 213 N. College Drive
> > Dalton, GA  30720
> > Phone: (706)272-4427; fax: (706)272-2533
> > U of Michigan's President James Angell's
> >   Secret of Success: "Grow antennae, not horns"
> >
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