Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California

[Ron Gatrelle]

I disagree with myself - that is I have inner turmoil on these subjects.
We can't do anything about lots of stuff in life. However, because we are
caring creatures and observe lots of crap, and worse, that we as a species
have done to ourselves, other people, and nature we want to "make it
right." Then, we go too far and try to become "mother nature" or "God".
Which of course leads to irrational views, self-right-ness, mean diatribes
and on and on. Anne. If I don't go to another paragraph, can 235 pages
count as a paragraph?
 
Perhaps when the weather warms up a lot of us will chill out. I am
definitely not as happy indoors. I am however a very happy northern (native
Iowan) transplant to the South -- it was about 65 here today, which is
still too cold.
Ron
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Kilmer" <viceroy at gate.net>
To: "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California
 
 
> no, it's all right; I agree with you; I'm still with you. ;-)
>
> I think it's rather sweet that we think that what we do matters. After
> all, we're just killing time until the next ice age.
> anne
> Ron Gatrelle wrote:
> >
> >  Amen to Chuck's post below. There is also a difference between being a
> > preservationist and a restorationist -- with the latter wanting to
actually
> > role back the hands of time. Somehow I don't think any of us want to
return
> > so far back that we are only at the point of primeval ooze? It is very
sad
> > that so many only see the future as environmentally dead. (Spring is
still
> > far from silent.)
> >
> > Many, many, many events in celestial time and space have affected our
> > little rock much more than man ever has or ever will. Evolution is an
> > awesomely violent, totally emotionless, blindly agendaless thing. OOPS,
> > Anne, I'm in the second paragraph! So let's not let me get to the
third.
> >  Ron
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Vaughn" <aa6g at aa6g.org>
> > To: <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Photos of urban monarch overwintering sites in California
> >
> > > One of the interesting viewpoints I see on this list is the one that
> > seems
> > > to be expressed here: Environmental change = Environmental
degradation,
> > > especially if humans had anything to do with it.
> > >
> > > I think of this viewpoint as that of preservationists, those that
view
> > > change as mostly bad. I'm not a preservationist. I see all change as
> > > having positive and negative aspects and that it's inevitable.
> > >
> > > As a kid in San Lorenzo in the 60's Sky West Golf Course was open
land
> > > where wild wheat(?) was harvested each Spring and the land was then
> > > plowed.....certainly not a natural state even then. We collected
Monarch
> > > caterpillars on Milkweed patches in the Summer along with various
> > butterflies.
> > > Now the same land is a Winter sanctuary for Monarchs. Is this a good
> > > or a bad change? Some would say bad simply because it's a change. One
> > > could come up with all sorts of pluses and minuses. I see it simply
as
> > > a change.
> > >
> > > Chuck Vaughn <aa6g at aa6g.org>
> > >
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