Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: NY Times Butterflying Article
Chris J. Durden
drdn at mail.utexas.edu
Tue Jun 12 00:21:42 EDT 2001
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:11:32 -0500
>To: patfoley at csus.edu
>From: "Chris J. Durden" <drdn at mail.utexas.edu>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: NY Times Butterflying Article
>
>Patrick,
> I think if you look back at these flurries of heated exchange you will
> see that all of them were started by some NABA associated anti-collector,
> not necessarily in persuit of the best interests of the NABA membership.
> Most of us collector types do not jump into the discussion until the
> second or third round. And yes it is a huge waste of time, but someone
> has to stand up for the rights of collectors under the well funded
> onslaught of the anti-collector movement. Yes we have been damaged by
> wierd regulation. Yes the profession of science has been damaged, but
> only because we have been complacent and hoped the nuts would shut up. It
> is time to stand up and speak for the science of butterflies.
>.................Chris Durden
>
>At 11:43 AM 6/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>>In reply to Norbert Kondlia,
>>
>>Far from unwarranted, my accusations of anti-intellectualism are based
>>firmly on
>>the writings of Paul Cherubini, including his last post. In the United
>>States (
>>I do not know about Canada), the right wing attacks the "intellectual elite",
>>whenever the scientific, literary or artistic communities show them up.
>>Perhaps
>>we are also having trouble recalling Samuel Johnson's adage, Patriotism
>>is the
>>last refuge of a scoundrel.
>>
>>I have no special problems dealing with information and opinions that differ
>>from mine. This should be evident by my posts attempting to reconcile the
>>viewpoints of many on this list. I am always surprised at the rabid
>>attacks in
>>this list on NABA. It feels like the early Church, but without any hope of
>>salvation in the end. Do you wonder that so many professional lepidopterists
>>avoid this list? Is that the intention of the attacks? What kind of list
>>do you
>>want, one limited to the cranks and the incredibly patient? Maybe the list
>>shouldn't be hosted by a university but by Butterflies R US!
>>
>>Patrick Foley
>>patfoley at csus.edu
>>
>>"Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX" wrote:
>>
>> > And it appears that unwarranted accusations of anitintellectualism can be
>> > used by people who have difficulty with information and opinions that
>> do not
>> > agree with their view of the world. Where is the antiintellectualism in
>> > responding to published drivel?? How does that make one a scoundrel. A
>> > scoundrel to me is the person who takes the cheap shots, not the
>> person who
>> > rises to the bait.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Patrick Foley [mailto:patfoley at csus.edu]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:55 AM
>> > To: monarch at saber.net
>> > Cc: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
>> > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: NY Times Butterflying Article
>> >
>> > Apparently in American intellectual life, the last refuge of the
>> > scoundrel is no longer patriotism, but antiintellectualism.
>> >
>> > Patrick Foley
>> > patfoley at csus.edu
>> >
>> > Paul Cherubini wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think intellectual elitism also figures into to this
>> > > anti-collector/pinner, anti-breeder/releaser sentiment
>> > > that NABA is promoting; i.e. - that recreational collectors
>> > > and commercial breeders are entomology's lowlifes.
>> > >
>> > > Sue Halpern, author of the new Monarch book "Four Wings
>> > > and a Prayer" said exactly that on page 127 of her book:
>> > >
>> > > "There were some on D-plex list who thought the scientists were
>> > > ganging up on Paul Cherubini and whipping him around with their
>> > > degrees, bullying him into a version of science to which he didn't
>> > > subscribe. The commercial breeders in particular were aggrieved
>> > > on his behalf, but they tended to lurk at the margins since their
>> > > activities were even more reviled than Cherubini's own transfer
>> > > "experiments." They were entomology's lowlifes, people who treated
>> > > butterflies as --in Bob Pyle's disparaging phrase -- "biodegradable
>> > > balloons". And now Cherubini had joined their ranks, picking off
>> > > chrysalids whereever he could find them, hatching out the butterflies
>> > > and selling them fresh to breeders."
>> > >
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