By the way, garden leps, and taxonomy

[mbpi at juno.com]

Oops, Ron!  Better be careful what you say about the Amish...  They are
far from "ignorant," but rather choose to maintain a "simple way of life"
as opposed to the prevailing American status quo.  As a matter of fact,
you might want to determine your own level of "ignorance," :-} by
checking out the article in this past Sunday's Chicago Tribune on the
Amish and where they stand in the current state of events (!)

As for the thread on "pupa vs. chrysalis" etc., etc.  I can't see puting
in my two cents worth about a topic that should be readily obvious to an
audience the caliber of this listserv, considering the availability of
reference material and the knowledgeable background of its participants. 
I hardly think it has anything to do with people who are "only interested
in sightings."  I don't know where you come up with this stuff, but it
certainly undermines the focus of interest that others may not share with
you simply because that is not "where they're at" for the moment.  It
doesn't reflect on where they "will be" tomorrow....  My goodness, look
at how quixotic and perverse you are when the Spirit strikes!!!!!

I'm afraid you bring out the argumentive side of me!

M.B. Prondzinski
USA

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:16:34 -0400 "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
writes:
> By the way, after posting this statement:
> This pupae vs. chrysalis thread is totally proper and the way it 
> should be.
> It is good, in my book, to note that no one has posted something 
> like --
> "Why are you all spending so much time talking about pupa or pupae,
> chrysalis, imago, dipteran, coleopteran, diapause, instar etc. etc.?
> Let's just enjoy the butterfly cats, migrating Tigers and Ladies."
> 
> It hit me that this could easily be taken as a dig toward the 
> simpler side
> of lepstering.  That was not my intent at all.   I like the talk 
> about
> migrating Ladies and "cats" (= larvae) in the garden as much as 
> anyone. I
> should post more on my butterfly gardening myself.  What I had in 
> mind were
> those who _only_ want to dialogue on that level and seemingly also 
> do not
> intend to or want to go into (onto) other levels of study of Leps.  
> I
> actually see very little of this "type" of thing here on Leps-L.  
> But in
> other places and list serves I am blown away at times when being 
> (not a
> novice) but ignorant seems to be the perpetually desired state of
> perfection. A kind of Amish lepstering.
> 
> I do not communicate very well by email.  I am a person to person, 
> person.
> So my intents may not come across well at all in the expression of 
> my
> thoughts.  Soooooo.
> 
> This weekend I was out a bit in the "weed garden" as all my friends 
> and
> family call it.  Things have slowed way down in the yard even though 
> the
> temps for the next few days here in Charleston will be up to about 
> 80.
> Here is my list.
> 
> Cloudless Sulphur (P. s. eubule)  steady flow but only one or two at 
> at
> time
> 1 Cabbage White (P. rapae) Saturday.
> 1 Varigated Frit.  (E. claudia) Saturday
> 1 Gulf Frit. (A. v. nigrior) fresh, Saturday
> 1 American Lady (V. cardui) Saturday
> 1 Reinthal's Hackberry (A. reinthali) Friday
> 1 Silver-spotted Skipper  (E. clarus) Friday
> 1 Whirlabout (P. vibex) Saturday
> 
> I haven't seen any swallowtails for quite a while.
> I am surprised at the absence of Little Yellows (E. lisa) in the 
> yard all
> year. Seldom seen about the house. Usually they are frequent at this 
> time.
> 
> Ron Gatrelle
> http://www.tils-ttr.org
> 
> PS  Realizing some may wonder about A. reinthali.  The above 
> combination is
> due to my field research on this in finding this and A. celtis 
> sympatric at
> the celtis type locality in Burke County, Georgia.   For details 
> check out
> TILS August 2000 news article on this on our web site.  What we know 
> today
> in Florida as reinthali was long known as alicia.  For some time FL 
> alicia
> was recognized as a distinct species mostly due to larval 
> differences.
> Friedlander sank this FL entity to a subspecies (along with about
> everything else in Asterocampa) and also gave this FL entity the 
> name
> reinthali. (He correctly restricted the name alicia to the Louisiana 
> visc.
> Gulf Coast celtis pops there.)   The species  status of the FL 
> entity
> should be retained. Also see my article in TTR (The Taxonomic 
> Report) Vol.
> 1 #5 Jan. 1999 on Asterocampa.  This article of mine on in 1:5 was 
> reviewed
> by Friedlander himself and I quoted him a good bit in the paper.   
> Present
> day Asterocampa taxonomy is based on his research published in 1987.
> However, his comments presented in my 1999 paper need to be read --
> especially by those who deal with Asterocampa out west.
> 
> 
> 
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