[Hank Brodkin]

I can't say that I do.  One way to gain tighter control of Leps-L is
discontinue the news portion of the gateway.
That should give Larry more control on blocking Spam by excising subscibers
who break the rules.


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Hank Brodkin
Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ
hbrodkin at earthlink.net
SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association (SEABA)
http://www.naba.org/chapters/nabasa/home.html
"Butterflies of Arizona - a Photographic Guide"
by Bob Stewart, Priscilla Brodkin and Hank Brodkin
http://home.earthlink.net/~hbrodkin/book.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Taylor" <drivingiron at earthlink.net>
To: "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>; <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: Re:


> Do all of you feel as gloomy as Ron re LEPS-L future?
>
> Jim Taylor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
> To: <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re:
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Taylor" <drivingiron at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re:
> >
> >
> > Anyone with an idea about how we can keep this sort of thing off the
list?
> > Larry, are you there?
> >
> > Jim Taylor
> >
> > ______________________
> >
> > Leps-l is a wide open list and virtually all of the spam I get comes
> > through this - crack - in the web.  But it is the potential for viruses
> and
> > worms via the attachments that are allowed here that are the real
problem.
> > Leps-l is becoming a genuine risk - esp. to those with inadequate fire
> > walls.  There are other lepidopteron orientated lists that are much more
> > secure and spam has a much harder time finding a way to get through the
> > security.  I think more people are going to those lists partly for this
> > reason.
> >
> > Leps-l also has no format or moderation, thus it has no focus.  This is
> why
> > it is frequent for several things to be complained about.  In other
words
> > the smorgasbord is so wide that it is inevitable that in every thread X
%
> > of the list will either have no interest in it and thus complain and
> > request it stop - or will be deleting half the posts unopened.  There is
> > irritation either way.  And because it is not focused (too broad) it is
> > very easy for arguments to develop between those in different factions.
> > Then there are the issues of post length and number of post from
> > individuals.   The list is geared to short posts (which lack topical
> depth)
> > due to many having limits on email accounts, slow hook ups, etc.; and
even
> > though we are told when we subscribe that we can expect around 25 posts
a
> > day that is considered very heavy traffic to many.  (I get about 50 to
100
> > emails every day).
> >
> > All of the above is why more people are joining
> >
> > 1) limited access secure groups (like Yahoo!Groups) where attachments
can
> > be blocked .
> >
> > 2) focused specific interest lists (regional groups like Carolina leps)
or
> > brand name lists (NABA, TILS-leps-talk) that are geared to specific
> > interests: only watching, or collecting, or educational, only moths or
> > butterflies - and where people not only don't mind, but expect, to see
> > promotion of parent organization and its agenda and products.
> >
> > 3) groups with active moderation and owners (southwest leps, carolina
> > leps).
> >
> > 4) Yahoo lists where group members can set up an individual account with
> > real options from all emails, daily digests, to no email (messages are
> > accessed when you want to simply by going to a home page).
> >
> > When leps-l started there was nothing else.  That is no longer the case.
> > There is no real substance here any more _compared_ to the other lists
out
> > there.  One list I am on was started just last November and already has
> > almost 140 subscribers.  There is doubtless a sense of loyalty (and the
> > always accompanying resistance to change) among the old timers on this
> > list.  But leps-l is too nebulous and is becoming a spam hole and safety
> > risk.  Nothing can be done about any of this as it is the product (a) of
> > the nature (lack of format) of the list and (b) its mechanical set up.
> >
> > Ron Gatrelle
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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