[leps-talk] Why aren't Mexico's overwintering monarchs in the news yet this winter?

Nigel Venters nigelventers at onetel.net.uk
Fri Feb 15 19:55:38 EST 2002


Neil Jones wrote:

> Whilst it is perhaps understandable that you would wish to defend Mr
Cherubini
> since he is your friend and commercial associate, I do not believe that
your
> contention is logical. It isn't supposition, last year he tried the same
thing.
> That time he dredged up low reolution pictures from the web site to show
> lack of deforestation. He  conveniently failed to show the higher
resolution
> pictures which did not support his theories so well. I don't think he
thought
> anyone could find the site that he got them from. :-)
>
> I'd rather not personalise the debate but should you wish to continue to
> challenge me on this point I could bring out a long list of quotes from
> people accusing him of misrepresentation, distortion, misquoting
etc.etc.etc.
>
> Secondly I cannot see how your claims can stand up
> to logical examination. You haven't seen my data so cannot know what
> massaging of data I am claiming, yet you say that my claims are
supposition.
> As regards paranoia I am not the one claiming a massive all encompassing
> conspiracy involving a long list of respectable people.

Why do you harbour such anger all of the time?...I'm not supporting
anybody...I have never met Paul...or am I involved with any commercial
activity with him!

I haven't claimed anything, my mail was not written to dispute your
claim...You may well be right over this issue...all I wanted to do was to
try and get to see the data and do some interpretation myself without you
trying to influence the outcome by flaming everybody who doesn't immediately
agree with everything you say!
Nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Jones" <Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>; <tils-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [leps-talk] Why aren't Mexico's overwintering monarchs in the
news yet this winter?


> In message <008101c1b5fb$a3ead720$9d6743d4 at mrventer> "Nigel Venters"
writes:
> > Neil Jones wrote:
> > > Whilst in the examples you cite the satellite photographs do not show
the
> > > full extent of the damage the examples you have left out show more.
> > > This has been exacerbated by your shrinking the photographs which
removes
> > > even more data. Some of the data you have ommitted, which can be found
> > at:-
> > >
> > > http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/huacal.html
> > > and
> > > http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/pelonin.html
> >
> > I can't seem to open these links provided by Neil...as I am interested
to
> > check this out...you both can't be right!
>
> I made a mistake they are at
> http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/monarch/huacal.html
> and http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/monarch/pelonin.html
>
> >
> > However it would be helpful Neil if you too did not to use sweeping
> > statements of
> > supposition as if they were facts...that you accuse others of
using...for
> > example:
> >
> > > This extraordiary claim by you would require extraordinary evidence.
> > > Not only have you failed to provide this you have undermined your case
by
> > > producing massaged data to lead people into false conclusions.
> >
> > Why can't you just state your case...and let us work this out for
ourselves?
> > Then maybe we could all discuss this sensibly without your paranoid
attacks
> > on people..... If only I could open the links you provided that I can't
seem
> > to open.
> > Nigel
>
> Whilst it is perhaps understandable that you would wish to defend Mr
Cherubini
> since he is your friend and commercial associate, I do not believe that
your
> contention is logical. It isn't supposition, last year he tried the same
thing.
> That time he dredged up low reolution pictures from the web site to show
> lack of deforestation. He  conveniently failed to show the higher
resolution
> pictures which did not support his theories so well. I don't think he
thought
> anyone could find the site that he got them from. :-)
>
> I'd rather not personalise the debate but should you wish to continue to
> challenge me on this point I could bring out a long list of quotes from
> people accusing him of misrepresentation, distortion, misquoting
etc.etc.etc.
>
> Secondly I cannot see how your claims can stand up
> to logical examination. You haven't seen my data so cannot know what
> massaging of data I am claiming, yet you say that my claims are
supposition.
> As regards paranoia I am not the one claiming a massive all encompassing
> conspiracy involving a long list of respectable people.
>
>
> --
> Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/
> "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
> butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog
> National Nature Reserve
>
>
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