[leps-talk] Why aren't Mexico's overwintering monarchs in the news yet this winter?

[Neil Jones]

In message <008101c1b5fb$a3ead720$9d6743d4 at mrventer> "Nigel Venters" writes:
> Neil Jones wrote:
> > Whilst in the examples you cite the satellite photographs do not show the
> > full extent of the damage the examples you have left out show more.
> > This has been exacerbated by your shrinking the photographs which removes
> > even more data. Some of the data you have ommitted, which can be found
> at:-
> >
> > http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/huacal.html
> > and
> > http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/pelonin.html
> 
> I can't seem to open these links provided by Neil...as I am interested to
> check this out...you both can't be right!

I made a mistake they are at
http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/monarch/huacal.html
and http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/monarch/pelonin.html

> 
> However it would be helpful Neil if you too did not to use sweeping
> statements of
> supposition as if they were facts...that you accuse others of using...for
> example:
> 
> > This extraordiary claim by you would require extraordinary evidence.
> > Not only have you failed to provide this you have undermined your case by
> > producing massaged data to lead people into false conclusions.
> 
> Why can't you just state your case...and let us work this out for ourselves?
> Then maybe we could all discuss this sensibly without your paranoid attacks
> on people..... If only I could open the links you provided that I can't seem
> to open.
> Nigel

Whilst it is perhaps understandable that you would wish to defend Mr Cherubini
since he is your friend and commercial associate, I do not believe that your
contention is logical. It isn't supposition, last year he tried the same thing.
That time he dredged up low reolution pictures from the web site to show
lack of deforestation. He  conveniently failed to show the higher resolution 
pictures which did not support his theories so well. I don't think he thought
anyone could find the site that he got them from. :-)

I'd rather not personalise the debate but should you wish to continue to 
challenge me on this point I could bring out a long list of quotes from 
people accusing him of misrepresentation, distortion, misquoting etc.etc.etc.

Secondly I cannot see how your claims can stand up
to logical examination. You haven't seen my data so cannot know what 
massaging of data I am claiming, yet you say that my claims are supposition.
As regards paranoia I am not the one claiming a massive all encompassing 
conspiracy involving a long list of respectable people.


-- 
Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/
"At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog
National Nature Reserve

 
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