killing butterflies for fun??? Part 2

Bob Parcelles,Jr. rjparcelles at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 7 13:53:11 EDT 2002


[Crossposted to Nature Potpourri]

Paul has >>. David has >, I have no > :)
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--- Paul Cherubini <monarch at saber.net> wrote:
> David Smith wrote:
> 
> > Would someone please explain why I should be bothered 
> > that a tiny proportion of the population thinks that I
> > should not do what I am doing. Espescially when they 
> > are wrong!!
> 
> The reason some people here are disturbed about Joseph
> Sugar's 'collecting is immoral' viewpoint is that it creates a
> social
> stigma against collecting just like Jeff Glassberg's viewpoint that
> "collecting is a primitive urge' (or something to that effect).
> 
> Havn't you been harrassed by onlookers when they see you swinging
> a net in the field? I don't mean the redneck cowboys who think
> you are a sissy, but the Audubon and Sierra Club types that pull up
> to you, roll down the windows of their Vans and Sport Utility
> Vehicles
> and scold and shame you for disturbing Gods most beautiful
> creatures.
> (and then they drive off slaughtering twice as many butterflies
> than
> people who are willing to drive compact cars).
> 
> At the very least they will demand to know why you are collecting.
> and you better have a good reason.  I typically make up  some
> excuse 
> like "I'm collecting specimens for professor so & so".  My other
> trick 
> is to use a tan colored net that blends in with the color of our
> tan 
> colored hillsides so they won't notice me to begin with.
> Or if I collect a night I use a black net. 15 years ago collectors
> did 
> not face this kind of harassment.
> 
> So in sum the problem is extremism. Extremism has worked its way
> all the way up to the highest reaches of the United States Dept. of
> Food & Agriculture. For example, in Feb. this year, Dr. Wayne F. 
> Wehling decided to make it illegal to drive from North Carolina to
> South
> Carolina with a live Mourning Cloak butterfly in your car.  His
> reasoning is that Mourning Cloaks are "insufficiently abundant" in
> South Carolina to allow Mourning Cloaks from other states to
> be released in South Carolina.  However, the Carolina Butterfly
> Society has documented hundreds of Mourning Cloak sightings
> thoughout South Carolina 
> http://membersites.nwbombers.com/dalkena/MCCC.jpg
> 
> Once again, who would have ever dreamed of restricting interstate
> shipments of our most common 
> http://membersites.nwbombers.com/dalkena/maps.jpg
> butterflies 15 year ago? But thanks to individuals who made
> extremism 
> fashionable, there are probably now a good number of people who 
> support the viewpoints of Dr. Wehling and Dr. Glassberg.
> 
> Paul Cherubini
> Placerville, Calif.


Paul,

I agree with most everything you say.

Here comes the BUT!

There is a distinct brand of conservatism, not libertarianism, but
reaction on this list that needs to be addressed. To be an
environmentalist or even a conservationist does not in any way make
one an extremist. I have often said that you do not have to be a
liberal to be an environmentalist, and then tonque in cheek added"
"but it sure helps".

Republicans under Teddy Roosevelt and Joe Coffy the First invented
Conservation. Republicans for Environmental Protection, now, today
espouse all of the issues that the Sierra Club etc. speak of. Wise
use has attracted people, like yourself,  who believe, as I do, that
capitalism is in danger in this country. The difference is,  I
envision capitalism to be enterprenuerism and small businesses as our
country was founded under. Capitalism only works in a democracy. In
the past 20 years under two Bushes and a Clinton the horror of
Globalism, one worldism, and now in this country the obvious
emergance of corporate fascism seems to limit democracy and concern
for we the people and more for the corporate state. CEO's have taken
the reins and have gone all out for stock shenanaghans. Anyone not
seeing the relevence, at least, of an energy cartel in the White
House has the characteristics of an ostriche, not the most
"intelligent" of birds. For 80 years the establishment (including the
so called "eastern liberal" one) has created extremism on the right
and the left to push the population into an aquiesent, self-serving,
ignorant, anti-technology center, a "Nation of Sheep". They [the
establishment] have used the most Orwellian concepts of mind control
or have you not ever sat in a Madison Avenue meeting? I have as a
professional photographer, and as a foundation trustee. It is
chilling. No conspiracy theories...just the facts.

So Paul we see "extremism' on all sides. There is no left and right
in the citenry. It is all propaganda. It is just people reacting like
puppets. Who pulls your strings?

We see exrtemism on all sides. That is part of the nature of things
in post industrial America. An America where technology and science
(basic) are the foe. America where true economic conservatives are
not allowed to be vocal in government. Only phonies with their own
agenda's and those of megacorporations and globalists. 

As far as having someone harass me for swinging a net. Only a woose
would tolerate that. I bloodied a nose in high school because I was
seen by a classmate with binoculars and my Peterson and a bag full of
Zim Golden guides and my little girfriend (read: "bearer"). Ever
since, I flaunt this "queerness" of liking nature.  I never met a
redneck I couldnt'nt whip and I still can but I do not have the
breath so I dso it fast. And you know, I still would. Only now I beat
up on Alanas and their types with words. I have people in local
groups of Sierra Clubs who do not favor me to say the least. I see
their self-important airs and do not swallow their ego trips. Oh, by
the way environemntalism without science and and an interest in
natural history is not acceptable to me either. So we in C2M and
Nature Potpourri try to help our Sierra Club friends see there is
more than clean energy and water but criiters and places. National of
course is right on track. All types,fortuneatly, join to do their
part. We just want to enlarge their perspective. Just as we want to
get Audubon rank and file and mid level birders to see the BIG
picture. Well that is part of what I am inviting all of you to do
here today.

Now if you guys want to let this country's resources and wild places
go to a certain demise because of your ideologies and academic
arguments to the fact of being non-actvist so you can be objective
scientists you are in for a shock someday. All of the places to
watch, collect and study leps will be gone. Breders will be very
important. Arguments about the hypocrisy of non-collectors killing
large of numbers of butterflys are insignificant when pesticdes and
developoment are concerned. Growth needs planning. Saving the
environment needs research, plsanning and education. Anyone who
denies that is a traitor as much as the corrupt politicians who
dominate our local, state and national politcs of both parties. I am
sorry to say their is no difference in the Democrat and Republican
hierarchies...it is an illusion. Well the magic show is over. It is
not fun anymore. We, who love our wild places and critters need to
pull together. They are ALL mocking us on the side of the road. lets
give them all bloody noses. 

Since the Miami Blue and my C2M involvements I have ran into more
sceptics and "know it alls" and concern for their reputations and
"kiss butt" wimps than I have met in my entire life. As far as leps
list about a thousand of you need to join Nature Potpourri and get a
little bit of all sides on everything. That is what a potpourri is.
It is obvious some of you need to learn the science of ecology. God
(to those who are religous, the rest can close their eyes as so many
of you have done on many things) intended mankind to be STEWARDS of
the earth. It is God's work. To attack concern for the earth's future
is a sacrilege. Hide behind prophesy if you want but their is room
for good works. These are of the best. Not contributing to the
reoccuring religous thread here but no one should be ashamed of
collecting butterflies or testifying to his religion. if he can not
work it out with nscience then that is a personal matter. not subject
to debate, nor censorship.

In order to make anything we have talked about, from capitalism and
the prevention of fascism and communism, to saving the butterflies
and the environment to preserving our rights to collect, takes
involvment. Talk is cheap. I here ecologists defending their right to
be advocates and trying to define the limits all well and good but
their are obvious truths that you do not have to be a rocket
scientist to see. I am disabled...I can only talk and write at the
present time. But I intend to still punch a lot of noses.

It is time that a lot of see us that this country is not what we want
it to be or what we thought it was. crime and terroism is rampant and
the conditions that breed it go unchecked. To talk of one party over
the other is so naive in today's worl that I cringe. i see no
political heros. Even some I know are friends and will read this need
to get some cajoles and start "throwing the bums" out. Flroida is a
perfect example of the special interest groups dominating the
public's welfare. I bet we have more environmentalists than most
states. Most have to be imports because we have the second worst
school system in the nation. Most of these activisats seem quite
literate. True people like us need to bring them a little closer to
reality. But we have to learn before we can teach; we must comprehend
before we can explain and we need to be humble before we can judge.

Ideology is fine but so are fairy tails.

BOB





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Bob Parcelles, Jr
Pinellas Park, FL
RJP Associates & Clean Millennium Movement (C2M)
rjparcelles at yahoo.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturepotpourri
"Change your thoughts and you change your world."
- Norman Vincent Peale

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