Gay Admirals - and other stories

Martin Bailey cmbb at
Thu Jul 11 21:51:22 EDT 2002

Well said. I can live quite nicely with the following posting.

And where are the butterflies?  Here too on the bald prairie, that is on the
manmade islands of trees, tiger swallowtails, Papilio canadensis, are in
larger numbers than I normally expect to see them.  Not an irruption, just

Anyone want to lead off with the weather?  And then how it relates to host
plants this year.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Walker" <MWalker at>
To: "Alex Grokovich" <agrkovich at>; "Lepslist"
<LEPS-L at>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Gay Admirals - and other stories

> Hmmmm.  A priori apologies for the following:
> You know, when Neil Jones responded so badly out of context to my original
> post (which somehow initiated this anti-homosexual thread), I decided not
> even acknowledge it.  I mean, he so blatantly missed the whole point I was
> making - which was how WRONG it would be had I made such a grossly
> hypocritical error as to condemn others while being myself quite worthy of
> condemnation - and instead used this point to accuse me of being
> anti-homosexual, bigoted, and narrow minded because of my well
> self-publicized belief in Jesus Christ.
> Interestingly, this bigoted point of view goes completely against the
> teachings of Christ and even Judaism, but is constantly misrepresented
> by the hypocrites and the folks who have been duped to base their whole
> belief systems on their hypocrisy.  Instead, Christ found it appropriate
> love and lay down his life for homosexuals, just as he did me - the chief
> all sinners, but I digress...
> Neil has also publicly accused me of having a chip on my shoulder against
> him primarily because of his public (and intellectually superior)
> "debunking" of my faith in God.  Oh, if he only knew how wrong he is
> In fact, my disdain for Neil Jones is a characteristic of the flesh -
> stimulated primarily by a humanistic dislike of the self-propagated
> electronic version of who I've come to know as "Neil Jones".  The truth of
> the matter is that it is because of Christ that I seek a way to love and
> tolerate Mr. Jones in spite of my natural polarization against him - well,
> some of the time I manage to pull this off, anyway.  I'm still a work in
> progress, I'm afraid.
> The fact of the matter here, regarding homosexuality, is that I have no
> animosity whatsoever for those who have chosen this alternative lifestyle.
> As I've posted here before, I do in fact have friends who are same-sex
> persuaded.  I'll look forward to new ones in the future.  I don't,
> share this lifestyle - and I can't honestly embrace it on account of the
> Bible that Neil (and the presidential character in "West Wing") have so
> inappropriately quoted.  What is described in the Bible is simply God's
> definition of sin, and as I've made it very clear here - I fail in many
> other categories.  So much so, in fact, that I have no business pointing
> condemning fingers at anyone (not even Neil Jones).
> So that's about all I have to say on this strictly forbidden topic - so
> me if you've chosen to read it and it offends you.  As for the Subject
> title, well - I was a sailor for 6 years and met more than my share of
> amorous shipmates.  None of them had Admiral status, however...
> Mark Walker.
> Martin Bailey wrote:
> >
> > Dear Alex,
> >
> > I have been quite sick from gastric-enteritis.  So I have had little
> > energy
> > to do anything.  It, therefore, was quite a pleasant surprise to find a
> > rubrofasciata  lurking in the junipers outside my front door.  I ran
> > inside and grabbed a spare net.  ( I leave my favourite one in my
> > vehicle.)
> > Success!
> >
> > Problem.  Whenever I go to Vancouver, B.C. I stay at a friend's place.
> > is homo-sexual.  What is your position on fellow travellers?  Straight
> > people such as myself who have gay friends.  Do you still want the
> > specimen,
> > or would you prefer I let it go?
> >
> > Martin.
> >
> > p.s. The friend is a pathologist.  Needless to say, he is an expert on
> > human
> > taxonomy.
> >
> >
> >
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