[leps-talk] vs. Glassberg's books vs. renegade nomenclature, vs. etc, etc, etc,

[mbpi at juno.com]

Most recently, I have been wending my desultory way through the vast
wasteland of scientific nomenclature and its omnipresent and oppressive
"discrepancies" that strew the information highway like so much toilet
paper shrouding the "adversaries" front yard...

I'm afraid "renegade nomenclature" exists throughout the ENTIRE
taxanomical heirarchy, if one wishes to point a finger at one single
instigator.  And despite the fact that I don't even "pretend" to be a
know-it-all, I'll be damned if the self-proclaimed "know-it-alls" are
WILLING to HELP me weed through the discrepancies (!)  So you all can wax
pedantic as much as you like, but when push-comes-to shove...show me the
money!  Put your money where your mouths are...then I'll jump on your
band-wagon.

That being said, in response to Ron's attesting to setting up his
leps-talk listserv in response to a need to get across his agenda (and
there is nothing wrong with that)... I, for one, can't even fathom the
extreme folly of subscribing to another listserv!  The thought of
receiving another 100 Korean emails for every 5 listserv-relevant
postings, stops me short of ever subscribing to anything again.  How many
pleas from Mr. Ugauaballo in Nigeria to transfer his monies into my bank
account can a person stand?!  And do I really NEED "viagra" and a "penile
implant" to enhance the quality of my life?!  And do all those Farm Sluts
into Beastiality really know anything about agriculture?!?!   For that
matter, does anyone REALLY know the RIGHT scientific nomenclature for
Illinois mites?!?!?!?!?!?!

And for the record:  People into birds (including legitimate
Ornithologists) seem to prefer their "common names" for field
identification.  (Though this may not hold true in foreign dominions.) 
But don't ask ME why...ask them!

Mary Beth Prondzinski


On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:37:36 -0400 Ron Gatrelle <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
writes:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX" <Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca>
> Subject: RE: [leps-talk] Glassberg's books
> 
> 
> > I await with interest to get my copy of said book reviews. I am 
> however
> > intrigued by the words "renegade nomenclature" attributed to one 
> of the
> > reviewers. Can anyone venture an opinion on how one distinguishes
> renegade
> > nomenclature from non- renegade nomenclature ?? The phrase 
> renegade
> > nomenclature is in my view either an oxymoron/meaningless phrase 
> or it is
> a
> > cheap shot from someone who thinks he knows the "right" 
> nomenclature. It
> is
> > customery in most fields of human endeavor to denigrate the views 
> of
> people
> > one does not agree with by painting said views as "renegade" or
> "unorthodox"
> > or some such concept. Often these accusations come from people who 
> are
> > uncomfortable with dissenting views and try to squelch them or 
> who
> > mistakenly think the 'establishment' has the right answers. I 
> hasten to
> add
> > that renegade nomenclature in my view is impossible unless one is
> deviating
> > from the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature.
> 
> snips
> 
> Many other good points in Norbert's post.  I agree with all Norbert 
> said.
> The striking negativity of the one reviewer is added to by the 
> loftey
> status of the publication it appeared in - The Journal of the
> Lepidopterists' Society.   The significance to me is that it 
> illustarates
> the reality of the widening gap between traditional lepidopterists 
> and
> butterfly watchers.  I know a lot of people in both groups who don't 
> see it
> that way.  But this is due to thier having their own heads screwed 
> on
> straight rather than that of any "movements" leadership.
> 
> The problems will never be resolved until it is acknowledged that 
> they
> exist.  My view is that there are actually a lot of people in both 
> camps
> who do not like what they at least "perceive" the other camp to be 
> about.
> (This can not be wished away or eliminated by denial - i.e. banning 
> the
> collecting debate from list serves.)  In fact, I think it is getting 
> worse.
> A few years ago it looked like it was just a "feud" between hobby
> "collectors" and
> watchers.  Now, we see scientists and scientific collectors coming 
> more and
> more into the fray.  Anti-science has become added to 
> anti-collecting as
> accusational phrases against "naba" via its leadership.  Guilt by
> association?   But it is the scientists who are saying this now - 
> and that
> is significant.
> 
> I am not here to say who is right and wrong.  ( After all. I  am in 
> one
> camp myself.)   I am saying that it can't all just be ignored - 
> otherwise
> we will end up with two basically uncommunicative opposing groups 
> both
> reinventing the wheel.   (Each with their "official" names and 
> "official"
> record etc.)  Are the Audubon and Ornithological Union at war?  
> Where would
> we be if that were so?
> 
> Ron Gatrelle
> 
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