[leps-talk] Ron Proves Creationism wrong

[Stanley A. Gorodenski]

It seems to me, my opinion only, that if we really do not want this as a
topic in leps-l, we must not respond to any of it, no matter how strong
we might want to. It merely invites the opposing side to rebut. And,
heavan forbid, it (responding) might cause Ron to re-subscribe (just
joking Ron, if you read this, although you should re-subscribe to leps-l
if you are serious about your pro-collecting convictions).

Stan

Mark Walker wrote:
> 
> Charles Bordelon writes:
> 
> > ...  Everything is or has been
> > created.  Evolution, I also firmly believe in...
> 
> and
> 
> > Now, I don't know about you guys, but that's [Christ] a tough act to
> follow...  I'm
> > painting myself into a corner, here.  RON, HELP!!!
> 
> Charles isn't in a corner at all.  He's out in the open - and free of the
> shackles that most others have burdened themselves with (by choice, I might
> add).
> 
> How silly it is for anyone to attempt to argue scientifically in favor of a
> Godless universe.  We know absolutely nothing that can explain how such an
> incredible event could possibly occur by accident (except, of course, that
> the event is so highly improbable that our math doesn't even have a way to
> quantify it).  We can speak of variation and mutation, but none of this
> begins to explain how matter or energy could come to exist in the first
> place.  Our theories are mere tinker-toys when it comes to explaining the
> origin of life and the universe.
> 
> I've found that people who attempt to provide scientific "evidence" of a
> Godless universe have come to NEED to have an explanation that disproves
> God, and this bias is obvious from their arguments.  These are the people
> who have backed themselves into a corner - not Charles.
> 
> It is not silly (or unscientific) to ponder the question of how our universe
> came to be.  Wondering about (and questioning the possible existence of) God
> is, in fact, at the heart of science, and anyone who would shy away from
> such metaphysical questions should be the one accused of not being
> scientific - not the other way around.
> 
> Personally, I see overwhelming evidence of Creation wherever I go - in the
> mountains, in the waterfalls, in the plants and animals - but especially in
> the hearts and faces of human children.  God is real and very much alive in
> the world that I live in.
> 
> I have a Bachelors of Science in Electronic Engineering, including a minor
> in Physics, a Masters of Science in Computer Engineering, and a hard earned
> PhD in living life - and I've found nothing in all the wisdom of man that
> can counter or disprove the existence of God.  Of course, I have the benefit
> of having received the gift of the knowledge of God - something that He
> readily offers every living human being, incidentally - so I suppose I
> shouldn't expect anyone to take my word for anything.  Such discernment and
> understanding comes only from the Spirit of God, though clues for its
> discovery have been scattered about the world and throughout the heavens so
> that all might possess it - bushman and businessman alike.
> 
> Sorry if this sounds arrogant - it is in fact quite the opposite of
> arrogance.  You see, this sort of understanding comes by way of humility -
> and not pride.  Any creature standing on the surface of this planet and
> beholding this incredible universe that isn't overcome by an overwhelming
> humility is truly the fool.
> 
> But it is for such fools, after all, that Christ died...
> 
> Shalom,
> 
> Mark Walker
> 
> 
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