[leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of Monarch Ext inction press releases.

Grkovich, Alex agrkovich at tmpeng.com
Wed Nov 12 09:08:11 EST 2003

This is absolutely the Age of Pseudo-Science...not to mention

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> From:	James Taylor [SMTP:drivingiron at worldnet.att.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:23 AM
> To:	'Paul Cherubini'; leps-l at lists.yale.edu; Mark Walker
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> Subject:	Re: [leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of
> Monarch Extinction press releases.
> I am in big-time agreement with Mark. The article made the back page of
> the first section of the Savannah paper. 
> Mark, I have NO monarchs in my collection - but boy, do I have Spodoptera
> everything.
> Jim Taylor
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Mark Walker <mailto:mwalker at gensym.com> 
> 	To: 'Paul Cherubini' <mailto:monarch at saber.net> ;
> leps-l at lists.yale.edu <mailto:leps-l at lists.yale.edu> 
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> 	Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:41 AM
> 	Subject: RE: [leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of
> Monarch Extinction press releases.
> 	Paul wrote about the latest Monarch press release:
> 	> In past years, usually in the fall or winter, Dr's Lincoln Brower,
> Karen
> 	> Oberhauser and/or Chip Taylor have made dire predictions, about
> the
> 	> potential impacts of logging in Mexico, Bt corn, tourist
> trampling,
> 	> butterfly
> 	> releases, mosquito spraying etc, on migratory monarchs, but the
> migrants
> 	> continue be as abundant as ever.   This fall, Dr. Oberhauser has
> been
> 	> talking to the press about an imminent new extinction threat:
> 	> 
> 	>
> <http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-11-11-monarch-climate_x.htm>
> 	I saw the same article in my North County Times (Oceanside, CA), so
> it's
> 	certainly making the rounds.   It's amazing how predictably
> press-worthy
> 	these articles are.   Without getting into another they vs. he
> discussion, I
> 	wonder if I'm the only one besides Paul that is bothered by the
> science
> 	being applied here.   I'd feel a lot better if occasionally the
> reports
> 	indicated a little bit of objectivity - but nope, they're always
> validating
> 	what appears to be a presupposition that the Monarch is the next
> endangered
> 	species.
> 	Oh well.   This latest theory isn't demonstrable for another 50
> years, so
> 	we'll just have to wait and see (I'll be 95, so perhaps I'll have
> already
> 	collected my last Monarch by then).
> 	Mark Walker.
> 	(for the record, I have exactly six specimens of Danaus plexippus in
> my
> 	collection - three from CA, one from Quebec, one from Puerto Rico,
> and one
> 	from Spain).
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