[leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of Monarch Extinction press releases.

Charles Bordelon legitintellexit at earthlink.net
Wed Nov 12 13:36:55 EST 2003


You mean, "Horsefeathers?"  cb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grkovich, Alex" <agrkovich at tmpeng.com>
To: <drivingiron at worldnet.att.net>; "'Paul Cherubini'" <monarch at saber.net>;
<leps-l at lists.yale.edu>; "Mark Walker" <mwalker at gensym.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of Monarch
Extinction press releases.


> This is absolutely the Age of Pseudo-Science...not to mention
> "Pseudo-Truth"...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Taylor [SMTP:drivingiron at worldnet.att.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: 'Paul Cherubini'; leps-l at lists.yale.edu; Mark Walker
> > Cc: TILS-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of
> > Monarch Extinction press releases.
> >
> > I am in big-time agreement with Mark. The article made the back page of
> > the first section of the Savannah paper.
> >
> > Mark, I have NO monarchs in my collection - but boy, do I have
Spodoptera
> > everything.
> >
> > Jim Taylor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Walker <mailto:mwalker at gensym.com>
> > To: 'Paul Cherubini' <mailto:monarch at saber.net> ;
> > leps-l at lists.yale.edu <mailto:leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
> > Cc: TILS-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TILS-leps-talk at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [leps-talk] It's fall and time for a new round of
> > Monarch Extinction press releases.
> >
> > Paul wrote about the latest Monarch press release:
> >
> > > In past years, usually in the fall or winter, Dr's Lincoln Brower,
> > Karen
> > > Oberhauser and/or Chip Taylor have made dire predictions, about
> > the
> > > potential impacts of logging in Mexico, Bt corn, tourist
> > trampling,
> > > butterfly
> > > releases, mosquito spraying etc, on migratory monarchs, but the
> > migrants
> > > continue be as abundant as ever.   This fall, Dr. Oberhauser has
> > been
> > > talking to the press about an imminent new extinction threat:
> > >
> > > USA TODAY:
> > >
> > <http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-11-11-monarch-climate_x.htm>
> >
> > I saw the same article in my North County Times (Oceanside, CA), so
> > it's
> > certainly making the rounds.   It's amazing how predictably
> > press-worthy
> > these articles are.   Without getting into another they vs. he
> > discussion, I
> > wonder if I'm the only one besides Paul that is bothered by the
> > science
> > being applied here.   I'd feel a lot better if occasionally the
> > reports
> > indicated a little bit of objectivity - but nope, they're always
> > validating
> > what appears to be a presupposition that the Monarch is the next
> > endangered
> > species.
> >
> > Oh well.   This latest theory isn't demonstrable for another 50
> > years, so
> > we'll just have to wait and see (I'll be 95, so perhaps I'll have
> > already
> > collected my last Monarch by then).
> >
> > Mark Walker.
> > (for the record, I have exactly six specimens of Danaus plexippus in
> > my
> > collection - three from CA, one from Quebec, one from Puerto Rico,
> > and one
> > from Spain).
> >
> >
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