E-mail for Biól. Eligio Garcia Serrano

[Patrick Foley]

Doug,

Thanks for the heads up. Now if there were some way in general to filter 
compost from seeds of truth, I would surely enjoy mastering it.

Patrick

MexicoDoug at aol.com wrote:

> Can someone sendf me the e-mail for the Monarch Biologist Eligio García 
> Serrano?  Thanks.
> 
> Pat, Paul is playing with you.  Eligio is a top notch monarch biologist 
> who works (or did work) as Jefe Biologist in the Monarch Nature 
> Preserve, and regularly interacts with the national research community 
> (e.g. of the ilk you mention) as well as the international (with Brower, 
> Oberhauser, Taylor, etc.).  I believe he works for (or worked for) 
> Geographer Roberto Solís, the Director of the Preserve who I previously 
> quoted regarding on how they have had success in the nucleus areas of 
> the preserves (Paul's photo).  Their scientific jobs are related to the 
> protection of the forest from cutting, which they have been successful 
> with in some of the the nuclei and buffer zones.  This includes watching 
> out for ever present tree cutting opportunists and helping support 
> locals as they adapt to the changing dynamics of the Protected Area.  
> Paul is most probably pirating Eligio's photos without giving credit 
> where it is deserved.  Muy malo, Paul, muy malo, ¡¡ eres incorrijible !!
> 
> Eligio says:
> 
> Hello Friends.  I am Eligio Garcia Serrano.  I am a Biologist and I work 
> in the Monarch Butterfly Nature Preserve.  I've been working with the 
> Monarchs for 7 years (this is from 2000), and each year  I monitor all 
> of the colonies.
> 
> First, I visit all of the sites where the Monarchs arrive and later I 
> put together a calendar of field trips to visit them.  First I measure 
> the dimensions of the colony, in the place it is situated.  For example, 
> in what community, state, site, date, altitude, wind conditions, cloud 
> cover, exposure, inclination, and the number of trees with butterflies.
> 
> Then we check out how the forest is doing, and what flora and fauna live 
> in the area of the Monarch colony, this is called "Structure and 
> Composition of the Forest" where the colony develops.  Then I work on a 
> sketch of the colony and lay out three transects to evaluate the 
> mortality of each colony and check why the buitterflies have died.  I 
> develop this on a monthly basis I begin to see when the butterflies 
> return to the States and Canada.
> 
> Friends, I hope you are well and to see you soon.
> Greetings from Mexico and the Monarchs, too.
> Eligio Garcia Serrano
> 
> Best Monarching, Doug Dawn
> Monterrey, Mexico
> 
> En un mensaje con fecha 11/17/2003 6:24:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, 
> patfoley at csus.edu escribe:
> 
>> Asunto: Re: Monarch Extinction (substantial evidence?)
>> Fecha: 11/17/2003 6:24:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
>> De: patfoley at csus.edu <mailto:patfoley at csus.edu>
>> Para: monarch at saber.net <mailto:monarch at saber.net>
>> CC: Leps-L at lists.yale.edu <mailto:Leps-L at lists.yale.edu>
>> Enviado por Internet
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>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I would say the same to Eligio as I say to you. Back it up or find
>> someone to back it up. Otherwise you are fighting science with snapshots.
>>
>> I must say also that your technique has become increasingly subtle and
>> what would have been called Jesuitical in the bad old days. As a
>> Jesuit-trained critic, I appreciate the cleverness. But I still think
>> you should back up your very strong claims with evidence that can
>> compete with the evidence provided by Brower and his coauthors Guillermo
>> Castilleja, Armando Peralta, Jose Lopez-Garcia, Luis Bojorque-Tapia,
>> Saloman Diaz, Daniela Melarejo and Monica Missrie.
>>
>> The point is not that we want the forces of dogmatic science and
>> environmental bureaucracy to overwhelm the poor downtrodden indigenous
>> people of the world.
>>
>> The point is that we need to protect habitat in Mexico as elsewhere.
>> Anyone who has done much science or nature in Mexico knows how poorly
>> the wonderful natural heritage is protected there. From poaching to
>> deforestation to corruption to touristic development, Mexico is in
>> trouble. And I am happy to see the Mexican people setting aside reserves
>> and preserves. In the long run, and often in the short run it, will pay
>> the local people to have these wildlife refuges in their neighborhood.
>>
>> I would rather not have environmental laws, just as I would rather have
>> fewer laws in general. But there are too many people in the world to
>> ignore our effect on the rest of nature. Populist antienvironmentalism
>> is as false a pose as it is a solution to the world's real problems.
>>
>> Patrick
>> patfoley at csus.edu
>>
>>
>> Paul Cherubini wrote:
>>
>> >Pat Foley wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>your photographs provide evidence that there is little degradation.
>> >>I have not called your view speculation. I have said that you need
>> >>to back it up and submit quantitative evidence for peer review.
>> >
>> >
>> >Pat, consider the practical implications of what you are saying.
>> >
>> >Some of the indigenous Mexicans living in the monarch sanctuary
>> >region are aware of the American monarch extinction press releases
>> >which claim "in the last 30 years, nearly half the prime forest in the
>> >[Mexican overwintering] area has been degraded or destroyed."
>> >http://www.sbcnews.sbc.edu/0202/0202nytbrower.html
>> >
>> >Now consider, hypothetically, if one of these indigenous Mexicans
>> >such as Eligio Garcia http://www.saber.net/~monarch/eligio.jpg
>> >wanted to go to reporters himself with current and historical
>> >aerial and ground photos of the Monarch reserves that show
>> >there has been little degradation.  Should Eligio's photos
>> >be dismissed by the American/Canadian/UK public and scientific
>> >community simply because they have not been been submitted
>> >and accepted as sound evidence by a peer reviewed
>> >scientific journal?
>> >
>> >If so, then the indigenous people living in the sanctuary  region
>> >would be locked into a defenseless position.
>> >
>> >Paul Cherubini
>> >
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