Lep News Schappert Editorial

Gary Anweiler Edmonton Alberta Canada gganweiler at sprint.ca
Wed Jul 13 17:17:47 EDT 2005


OK folks -while we are at it, how about we stop bad-mouthing stamp 
collectors ! Much (most ?) of what I know about Geography I learned from my 
father's stamp collection.  The up-side of stamp-collecting butterflies is 
that I believe most of us former kids started that way.  Building that small 
collection of different butterflies we hunted down, which eventually evolved 
into a much more serious or at least (formerly?) socially acceptable study 
of butterflies, and in my case eventually moths. I believe that any activity 
that increases our AWARENESS of any life form is a very good thing, and 
should be encouraged.

Any activity can be abused, from meditation to collecting long series of 
rare butterflies or other insects for the sole purpose of owning them.

I think that as editor Phil has the right to express his thoughts and views, 
even though I do not agree with all of them. Anyone who devotes as much of 
his time to the work of the Society as Phil has earned the right to speak 
his mind as he did. Perhaps his timing was unfortunate, perhaps not. De Lord 
she do sometimes work in mysterious ways. Time will tell!

Paul, can we get a supply of Valium to hand out with the name tags at Alta 
Vista ????

Gary Anweiler.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stanley A. Gorodenski" <stan_gorodenski at asualumni.org>
To: <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Lep News Schappert Editorial


> Paul,
>
> Paul Cherubini wrote:
>
>>Stanley A. Gorodenski wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As James Adams said, "... it isn't the horrid "attack on everybody" that 
>>>some claim".
>>>
>>
>>I disagree. I think Schappert editorial was a attack on anyone who 
>>collects and kills butterflies without a valid scientific reason.
>>
>>Look at what Schappert said:
>>1) "some [butterfly] collectors are simply living stamp collectors who 
>>should know better by now."
>>
>
> It would be best if Schappert could say more in detail in this discussion 
> group as to what he means by this. However, I myself have my own concept 
> of what he is referring to, but I know of no one personally that falls in 
> that category. In any event, if I am correctly seeing what he is objecting 
> to I do not think it means he is on a crusade to create a social stigma 
> against collecting.
>
>>2) "there is still a need for VALID scientific collecting"
>>
>
> I agree that there is a need for valid scientific collecting. If 
> collectors did not give the dates and locations of the specimens 
> collected, at a minimum, they would be useless for other scientific 
> studies.
>
>>3) "where he [Glassberg] will, I'm sure, agree with me is that
>>at this point in time "recreational collecting" serves no useful
>>purpose and that such collectors should rightly be ashamed of
>>themselves."
>>
>
> I already responded to this in my first post.
>
>>4) "I'm a proponet of the "catch and release" method [of collecting]"
>>
>
> That is his opinion. Does this mean he is on a crusade against collecting? 
> Maybe, but I do not know enough to come to this conclusion.
>
>>Stan, can you explain or speculate why both Glassberg and Scappert
>>are trying to create a social stigma against anyone who collects and kills 
>>butterflies without a valid scientific reason.?
>>
>
> This is a loaded question I cannot answer because I have to up front 
> accept that Schappert is trying to create a social stigma. Anyone has the 
> right to their own opinion and anytime someone voices them they are 
> automatically trying to influence others to accept their viewpoint. I do 
> not know enough about Schappert to conclude he has gone beyond this and is 
> on a strong and vigorous crusade to stop all collecting. Maybe you do.
> Stan
>
>
>
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