[Leps-l] Potential loss of monarch overwinteringhabitat in Mexico

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  From: Souky 
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  Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Leps-l] Potential loss of monarch overwinteringhabitat in Mexico


  Stan,


     All I can tell you is my experience.  I am 54 years old.  I am sitting here holding my "National Geographic Reader" that I was given in 4th grade (1970).  The ENTIRE issue is dedicated to: 

  "The Coming Ice Age"


    Inside - are a dozen stories about how the world will NOT be able to feed itself by the year 2001 due to the cooling and the advancing glaciers.  Much of it due to the pollution man was spewing intto the atmosphere was causing less sunlight to hit the planet and blah, blah, blah.

  I am VERY glad that I did not dedicate my entire life to stopping the impending disaster.

  I suspect the "anthropogenic global warming" disasters will be of a similar caliber to the Ice age disasters from my youth.

  I also say that most "environmentalists" are not concerned about the environment AT ALL...instead, they are concerned about the environment - as they remember it.  

  I have fossil  palm tree leaves that I found in my yard here in Maryland.  I LIKE palm trees.  Maryland doesn't HAVE any palm trees now. 

  Those damn native Americans must have killed them all.   Damn those humans.......



  Yes, we should try to minimize our impact.  But, we are on a deserted island rock hanging in space.  If we do not get our species off of it - we are DOOMED to extinction.

  I love nature as much as anybody.  

  But, if we need to make this planet "Trantor" to get off of it - then so be it.  If we need to raze EVERY mountain, drain every ocean, and kill EVERY species to do so, then THAT is what you do.

  I don't think we need to be THAT severe.

  But, there IS a giant meteor SOMEWHERE in the universe on a DIRECT collision course with this planet.

  Never forget the purpose of the game - save the species - US.







  On 2/16/2013 11:10 PM, Stan Gorodenski wrote:


On 2/16/2013 8:16 PM, Foley, Patrick wrote:
Count me (and the great majority of atmospheric scientists) among the climate change alarmists.

This is however not my area of expertise. Paul should go argue this out with NOAA scientists. Or any atmospheric scientists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve

Skepticism in science is a very useful tool. But one should be skeptical of ones own views also. Nietzsche said once " The courage of one's convictions -- a common error; real courage is questioning one's own convictions." Scientists (including climate change "alarmists") do this all the time. That is the essence of science. As far as I can see, most climate change deniers do not question their own belief systems or what motivates them.
   
Good point. This never occurred to me. I wonder if climate change 
deniers even know themselves what motivates them. I can see all kinds of 
influences, including the political and religious group one belongs to. 
I also wonder if it is the culture of anti-science that is fostering 
this. The deniers are intelligent. Because of the anti-science culture 
they make their own interpretations of data in lieu of those of scientists.
Stan

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