[Nhcoll-l] entirely online database software for a natural history museum?
Dirk Neumann
dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de
Tue Oct 29 10:20:10 EDT 2013
Hi Andy,
yes, perhaps a bit too imprecise, the difference that matters is free
access to all dataset for everyone which should be avoided (regardless
how this data can be accessed, either cloud based or provided via
institutional server - vs. restricted database access via
server/client/cloud). Second, even more important under current pending
[EU] legislation and Nagoya Protocol [likely to be ratified an entering
into force in 2014], we (= European Collections) should be sensitive
which data that is to be provided(e.g. to GBIF) or displayed on
institutional sites online (especially locality/country data, protected
species [covered under FFH, CITES, EU birds directive - with special
focus on DNAs & tissues].
Thanks for your comment,
Dirk
Am 29.10.2013 14:16, schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Dirk
>
> There is a difference between hosting your database online and making
> it available to all online. You can have a cloud based database that
> has the same access restrictions as a thick client server based
> database. Specify software is planning a thin client, browser based
> version of Specify that would facilitate hosting of data (cloud or
> otherwise) as well as collaboration etc. but still has a robust login
> based security system much like the thick client.
>
> Andy
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> Andy Bentley
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> University of Kansas
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> *From:*nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dirk Neumann
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:40 AM
> *To:* Doug Yanega; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; Margraf Nicolas
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] entirely online database software for a
> natural history museum?
>
> Dear Doug, Nicolas,
>
> with upcoming legislation regulation access to genetic resources, an
> entirely online collection database might be feasible for US
> collections as the US is a non-signatory nation to the CBD and the
> Nagoya Protocol. European collections face legal challenges and should
> abstain from entirely online / cloud based databases for the following
> reasons:
>
> 1. With the exception of specimens collected inside the Europe Union
> (including Switzerland, Norway and Iceland that are as associated
> Schengen countries "members" of an enlarged European Union with a
> harmonised legislation), all non-European collection materials
> "offered" online may be in conflict with different European laws and
> regulations (marketing and possession restrictions of species
> protected under European law and CITES). Offering those samples for
> loaning would (currently) be understood as offering for marketing
> (especially CITES) and could provoke legal action. Even though this is
> completely stupid and the EU spends a lot of money to digitalise
> collections (GBIF, Europeana, etc.), we have no legal certainty for
> providing this data online at the moment.
>
> 2. The European Union will implement a quite restrictive Access
> Benefit Legislation on genetic resources next year. Even "genetic
> resources" that are not utilised (e.g. specimens used only as
> morphological reference, which, however, could potentially be
> extracted at any later point) will fall under this regulation. At the
> moment we receive different opinions on materials (DNAs/tissues vs.
> collection specimens), time of application (retroactivity), reporting
> requirements and the planned EU-wide online-register that - as
> currently drafted - would violate laws mentioned above (sic!). Even
> though Switzerland is not part of the European Union, it is leading in
> developing a sound ABS legislation. Until we have legal certainty
> here, European Collections should avoid providing non-European
> collections materials online.
>
>
> So yes, collections should provide access to specimen data of in-house
> databases on such data portals as GBIF, we are active to receive the
> required legal certainty, but a clear *_no_* for entirely online /
> cloud based collection databases (at least for European Collections).
>
> All the best
> Dirk
>
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> Am 28.10.2013 18:24, schrieb Doug Yanega:
>
> On 10/25/13 8:24 AM, Derek Sikes wrote:
>
> Nicolas,
>
> I agree with James in recommending a collections database that is
>
> 1) entirely online so you interface it via a web-browser from
> anywhere (no software to install, like gmail).
>
> 2) low-cost
>
> but also would like to emphasize another criterion of importance -
>
> 3) serves data to GBIF
>
> There are only three that I am aware of that fit these
> criteria but there may be more:
>
> - Arctos, which I have been using for over a year now,
> http://arctos.database.museum/home.cfm
>
> - Symbiota http://symbiota.org/tiki/tiki-index.php
> <http://symbiota.org/tiki/tiki-index.php>
>
> - The Ohio State University Triplehorn Insect Collection
> Database - http://osuc.osu.edu/databasing.html (the developer,
> Norm Johnson, has worked with others to mobilize their data
> onto the web)
>
> To some degree, the examples Derek points out mix two things; the
> database itself, plus a data portal. Most folks get their data
> online by using an in-house database and then linking that
> database to a data portal. A good example is the American Museum
> of Natural History, who runs an online database (fitting criteria
> 1, at least) that serves its data to the Discover Life data
> portal, which also exports all of its data to GBIF. A number of
> similar institutions, including my own, use FileMaker as our
> database; it has remarkable flexibility, very easy to use and
> customize, works on PC and Mac, and can be remote-accessed. The
> only point about which I'm not entirely certain is that the server
> version can in fact be configured so that people who do NOT have
> FileMaker installed can use the interface. I *believe* this is
> possible (I'm fairly sure this is how the AMNH system works), but
> do not myself know how this is accomplished.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
>
> Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum
>
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
>
> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
>
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