[Nhcoll-l] Details for Botany Bill - HR 1054 - ACTION ALERT

Mon Feb 27 14:30:03 EST 2017

Debra, The thread wasn't "hijacked".  Rather, a concern was raised about
the effectiveness of the "talking points" document that is supposed to
assist folks who want to urge legislators and others to support the Bill
you refer to.

The specific example in that "talking points" document which was
highlighted was about the grouse.

"For example, the Federal government is currently wrestling with the
challenge presented by diminishing populations of sage grouse and the
potentially catastrophic effects on a 12 state region of a listing of the
grouse as an endangered species."

That statement is found in a link in an attachment entitled "Action Alert
from the American Society of Plant Taxonomists' Environment and Public
Policy Committee" in a posting to this list by Richard Rabeler <
rabeler at umich.edu> on Feb 25th at 6:42AM. (Yeah, easy to miss, so deeply
buried as it is, but there nonetheless.)

Peter

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Debra Trock <dtrock at calacademy.org> wrote:

> Maybe I missed something here, but the original post on this thread was
> about a Bill being introduced that would promote an increase in botanical
> knowledge and promote the use of native plants in federal projects.  How
> did this conversational thread get hijacked into a discussion of
> legislation about endangered species and sage grousel?
>
> Dr. Debra Trock
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> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:45 AM, Ellen Paul <ellen.paul at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Just FYI, at least as of now, there is no active effort to list Greater
>> Sage-grouse (you may as well use the correct common name, since we
>> ornithologists actually have official common names and we capitalize).
>>
>> This has been an enormous source of discussion, fairly civilized, for
>> many years. It resulted in this: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news&d=DwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=93-wmdwPQ4t86Q6BCiXeTFg-Dhm3h0pZl8uyT_1DvT0&s=51ksmSKMfpuVedbORtnfy7tgsdGXcNABYHxSeQv-kWk&e= 
>> /2017/02/will-trump-revamp-complex-plan-save-endangered-sage-grouse
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2017_02_will-2Dtrump-2Drevamp-2Dcomplex-2Dplan-2Dsave-2Dendangered-2Dsage-2Dgrouse&d=DwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&s=9RXEIv-4k5pNsfRyIH-YSyKruBl157JtQeBhe-JthoI&e=>
>>
>> The states did in fact fight the listing. That's what brought about this
>> agreement.
>>
>> Anyone who thinks a listing now is even remotely possible isn't paying
>> much attention to current events.
>>
>> Sorry to be negative but the bill was introduced by a Democrat, has one
>> co-sponsor, and was sent to five committees. Those are not good odds.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>> Ellen Paul
>>
>> Executive Director
>>
>> Ornithological Council
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nmnh.si.edu_BIRDNET&d=DwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&s=ulB9Mq58UMkiYHnedUk-x3l7ibodn2Ky8FKo5IAaGT4&e=>
>>
>> Providing Scientific Information about Birds
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/17 12:21 PM, Peter Rauch wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering what meaning is intended by this statement in the "Talking
>> Points" document,
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plantconservationalliance.org_files_pca_Talking-25&d=DwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=93-wmdwPQ4t86Q6BCiXeTFg-Dhm3h0pZl8uyT_1DvT0&s=Rl1K1PMkZ-CTeR7ZZlBh1GRdruvrfQPr_RIm8YfAwtA&e= 
>> 20Points%20Seed%20Strategy%20and%20Botany%20Bill.pdf
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plantconservationalliance.org_files_pca_Talking-2520Points-2520Seed-2520Strategy-2520and-2520Botany-2520Bill.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=KsMMVHi9t8WMcvLWUZhWFr52jpZl0pJc0GZjGHeMfbg&s=sjsN_Qu9zFQTBAnMkoE0-LaSZ6VDYTigc0i_JLvsrc4&e=>
>>
>> "... and the potentially catastrophic effects on a 12 state region of a
>> listing of the grouse as an endangered species."
>>
>> Will the listing create a catastrophic effect on those states?  If so,
>> why would those states not fight against the proposed listing?
>>
>> Or, is there some more esoteric meaning being intended by the statement,
>> such as "Gee, these states will be embarrassed and economically impacted by
>> a listing of the Sage grouse, dissuading Sage grouse tourism, for example" ?
>>
>> And, btw, in my opinion this statement does not contain very persuasive
>> "talking points".
>>
>> In any case, this Sage grouse Talking Point needs some urgent attention.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Richard Rabeler <rabeler at umich.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues:
>>>
>>> I am passing along this Action Alert from the American Society of Plant
>>> Taxonomists' Environment and Public Policy Committee, providing information
>>> and links about the recently introduced US legislation that aims to
>>> increase botanical knowledge (and personnel!) within the US Department of
>>> Interior and to create more demand for use of native, instead of
>>> introduced, plant materials in federal projects.
>>>
>>> Rich Rabeler, MICH
>>>
>>>
>>
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