[Nhcoll-l] FW: Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
Dirk Neumann
dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de
Mon Feb 12 16:32:33 EST 2018
Hi Paul,
wouldn't dry insulation cavity filling materials do the job? Very light,
very absorbent, and even more shock resistant; 100 L sacks for less then
20 € ...
All the best
Dirk
Am 12.02.2018 um 20:11 schrieb Callomon,Paul:
>
> One quality of Vermiculite that has not been touched on is its
> usefulness for shipping very fragile specimens, particularly things
> like Thorny Oysters (Spondylus) that have considerable mass but that
> are covered in very breakable spines. Vermiculite forms itself around
> things well and when slightly compacted prevents them moving at all.
> It does not catch on things the way shredded paper or horsehair can,
> and is cheaper, lighter and easier to source than Excelsior (wood wool).
>
> Not connected with its sorbent qualities, true, but another reason
> folks kept it around all these years.
>
> PC
>
> *Paul Callomon*
> /Collection Manager, Malacology, Invertebrate Paleontology and General
> Invertebrates/
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> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:03 PM
> *To:* Bacharach, Joan <joan_bacharach at nps.gov>; Rachael Perkins
> Arenstein <rachael at amartconservation.com>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] FW: Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
>
> Hi Joan,
>
> Thanks for the invite! I've been interested in developing best
> practices for wrapping and shipping specimens sent on institutional
> loan so this thread piqued my interest. But since my expertise deals
> with vertebrate fossils, a COG submission on this topic should
> probably come from someone who regularly handles wet collections.
>
> Rachel's suggestion of the SPNHC Wiki is great too. I'm supportive of
> both these initiatives. Getting H&S information out to the people
> entrusted with handling these specimens and making decisions about
> materials and methods for shipment is important.
>
> Cheers,
>
> VRR
>
>
> Vanessa R. Rhue
> Assistant Collections Manager
> Department of Vertebrate Paleontology
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> Hi Rachael;
>
> We'd be pleased to have someone write a /Conserve O Gram/ on the
> topic. However, writing a /COG /can take time, given the research
> and review process involved. I agree with you, having the topic
> appear on the SPNHC wiki site would certainly ensure a timely
> discussion. We can see if someone would like to volunteer to
> write the /COG/ -- what about it Vanessa?
>
> ​Joan​
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> Conserve O Grams are, of course, very useful and widely trusted
> and popular. It would be up to Joan Bachrach who manages this
> resource to decide whether it is broadly applicable to National
> Park Service staff but, until that time or, in addition, this
> seems like a topic that would do well on the SPNHC wiki site.
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> If any/all of the contributors to this thread volunteer to
> summarize the conversation and suggest appropriate solutions, I
> can ensure that it is posted on the site. That would also provide
> a way to distribute and cite the relevant information and it has
> the advantage of a fast turnaround time.
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> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
>
> Perhaps this topic could be written up in the NPS Conserve O Gram
> series. This might make the information easy to distribute and
> cite. Previous short papers have also been translated into Spanish.
>
> Conserve O Gram
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> VRR
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> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Dirk Neumann
> <dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de <mailto:dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de> > wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff & all
>
> good idea - which countries/ languages would be needed ? So far, I
> have encountered vermiculite only in shipments from US
> institutions; never saw it in loans from European institutions.
> Maybe just Spanish would be sufficient?
>
> Another option would be to notify institutions/colleagues shipping
> specimens on vermiculite about the potential health issues when
> such loans arrive/are discovered. We would thus reach also
> colleagues which do not follow NHColl conversations.
>
> All the best
>
> Dirk
>
>
> Am 09.02.2018 um 22:48 schrieb Jeff Stephenson:
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
> Is there a way we can get this translated into some other
> languages and spread the word among our international colleagues?
>
> JEFF STEPHENSON
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> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
>
> Very funny coincidence - James Maclain (NHM London) just brought
> this up in an internal conversation. Actually there is no reason
> to use it, and simple paper towels surely do even better as
> absorbent material for IATA packaging, compared to vermiculite.
> For A 180 packing, the requirement is that the absorbent material
> must be sufficient to hold the entire fluid per packaging in case
> of leakage. There are no further specifications, and even toilet
> paper would do a perfect job, but admittedly tends to be rather
> unstable compared to normal paper towels when wet.
>
> When I receive such shipments, I carefully open the outer
> packaging and remove the vermiculite into a large zip-lock back
> and immediately rinse the inner packing under water to avoid the
> dust; vermiculite is also VERY electrostatic, and you have it just
> everywhere.
>
> Thanks for pushing this, Rob!
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> Have a nice weekend
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> Dirk
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> Am 09.02.2018 um 20:19 schrieb Rob Robins:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have health and safety concerns regarding the use of vermiculite
> as an “outer packet†absorbency material in the shipping of
> alcohol preserved specimens. We have never used vermiculite in the
> Florida Museum Fish Collection, but I receive many specimen
> shipments containing it and thus must handle it. And as anyone who
> has touched the stuff can attest, no matter how carefully handled,
> tiny particles of vermiculite end up suspended in the air one is
> breathing.
>
> A number of scientific papers lead me to conclude my health and
> safety concerns are not unreasonable. Here’s some of what I’ve
> found:
>
> · No matter where it was mined from, vermiculite is likely to
> contain fibrous minerals.
>
> · That few of these types of fibrous minerals have been formally
> classified as asbestos and regulated as such would appear to be
> more a function of what fibers were in use commercially at the
> time the regulations were created. (Baumann, F., J. P. Ambrosi,
> and M. Carbone. 2013. Asbestos is not just asbestos: an
> unrecognized health hazard. The Lancet Vol 14 June 2013).
>
> · To be certain, vermiculite has at times been found to contain
> asbestiform amphiboles (groups of needlelike silicates clumped
> together) such as winchite, richterite, and tremolite, the latter
> of which is regulated (Sullivan, P. 2007. Vermiculite, respiratory
> disease, and asbestos exposure in Libby, Montana: Update of a
> cohort mortality study. Environmental Health Perspectives Apr; 115
> (4): 579-585).
>
> My question to the list: Why is anyone using vermiculite as an
> absorbent when inert and safe alternatives such as polypropylene
> chemical spill absorbent pads are widely and cheaply available?
> Failing any good answer to this question, my follow up would be,
> can we all please stop?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Rob Robins
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> P.S. The Baumann paper concludes thusly, and I agree:
>
> “The restricted regulatory definition of asbestos to six fibres
> used commercially contributes to miscommunication and uncertainty
> regarding the toxic effects of some fibrous minerals. We propose
> that all fibrous minerals be handled as potentially pathogenic
> until they are proven safe. Moreover, to protect human health, a
> wider regulatory definition of asbestos should include all
> potentially carcinogenic mineral fibres, without distinction of
> type and commercial use.â€
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> Robert H. Robins
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