[Nhcoll-l] New headache (solved)

Mon Jul 2 10:48:20 EDT 2018

If I am not wrong with publication of the 52nd Ed. of the ICAO/IATA 
handbook, which got effective back on 1 Jan 2011

:-)

Am 02.07.2018 um 16:24 schrieb Ellen Paul:
>
> That's excellent news (about the certification). When did that happen?
>
> Ellen
>
> Ellen Paul
> Ellen Paul
> Executive Director
> Ornithological Council <https://birdnet.org/>
> Phone (301) 986 8568
> Providing Scientific Information about Birds
>
> On 7/2/18 10:16 AM, Dirk Neumann wrote:
>> ICAO is not airlines, but the internationally recognised UN body 
>> governing civil air aviation rules (Convention on International Civil 
>> Aviation). They stipulate dangerous good regulations on 
>> international/intergovernmental level. Some countries recently 
>> decided that they would discontinue with UN regs, but as long as this 
>> is not glued into national laws (i.e. the Internationally accepted 
>> ICAO rules no longer apply in a given state and this state discloses 
>> itself from international air traffic), this international agreement 
>> persists.
>>
>> https://www.icao.int/about-icao/History/Pages/icao-and-the-united-nations.aspx
>>
>> IATA is a rip-off of the UN-ICAO regs, and the a handy business model 
>> of the association of airlines to resell their expensive handbook on 
>> yearly basis.
>>
>> A180 allows you to sell-train to be compliant; so yes, you need to be 
>> (self-) trained, but you no longer must be IATA-certified (e.g. we 
>> offered such trainings repeatedly at SPNHC conferences).
>>
>> No longer are initial IATA certification and yearly IATA 
>> requalifications needed (as required under previous exempted 
>> quantities shipping). Training & requalifications are another 
>> excellent business model by the way: let others pay to re-qualify to 
>> your copied rules on yearly basis. We are happy to have escaped from 
>> this (thanks to Andy's enormous efforts!)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>> Am 02.07.2018 um 15:52 schrieb Ellen Paul:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Dirk, but that is IATA (airline restrictions). Not TSCA, 
>>> which is a U.S. law - Toxic Substances Control Act and entirely 
>>> separate from IATA.
>>>
>>> That being said - I agree entirely that it is a good idea to carry a 
>>> copy of the IATA/ICAO standard with you.
>>>
>>> As I recall (and Andy can confirm) it is not just packaging and 
>>> labeling. Don't you also have to be trained and certified? In which 
>>> case, talk to the shipping dept at your institution because their 
>>> staff are generally trained and certified.
>>>
>>> Ellen
>>>
>>> Ellen Paul
>>> Ellen Paul
>>> Executive Director
>>> Ornithological Council <https://birdnet.org/>
>>> Providing Scientific Information about Birds
>>>
>>> On 7/2/18 9:42 AM, Dirk Neumann wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> it might be worth to add a second bit of clarification:
>>>>
>>>> IATA/ICAO A180 compliant packing says if non-infectious specimens, 
>>>> such as .... containing small quantities of UN1170 (ethanol, 
>>>> ethanol solution, ethyl alcohol or ethyl alcohol solution), UN1198 
>>>> (formaldehyde solution, flammable), UN 1987 (alcohols, not 
>>>> otherwise specified) or UN1219 (isopropyl alcohol) *are not subject 
>>>> to these Regulations* providing the following packing and marking 
>>>> requirements are met ..."
>>>>
>>>> The words are /not subject to these Regulations/ are decisive: 
>>>> despite their identification as UN-rated hazardous materials, they 
>>>> are not classified as such, i.e. they are not considered dangerous 
>>>> goods at all. This exemption stands and falls with the correct 
>>>> packing. ICAO/IATA is an international UN agreement, excepted in 
>>>> all countries (ICAO), and by all airlines (IATA).
>>>>
>>>> If you are travelling and have such materials in your hand-carried 
>>>> or checked luggage, it is advisable to take copies of IATA/ICAO 
>>>> A180, and at least a copy of the limitations table (2.3A) from the 
>>>> IATA handbook with you. Respective sections in ICAO and IATA are 
>>>> interchangeable, the legally binding one is ICAO.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> Dirk
>>>>
>>>> Am 02.07.2018 um 15:00 schrieb Ellen Paul:
>>>>>
>>>>> One call to EPA help line is all it took. Well, that and knowing 
>>>>> what questions to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> So actually you need a certification for ethanol (I will look up 
>>>>> SDS later to see if it is on the TSCA inventory). But there is an 
>>>>> express exemption for R&D.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/720.36
>>>>>
>>>>> So you still need the certification:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ftn.fedex.com/forms/TSCA_Certification.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is the "positive" certification. And they said for product 
>>>>> description, write, "R&D exemption."
>>>>>
>>>>> That easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would advise everyone to have this form with them for 
>>>>> hand-carries and in the FedEx pouch for shipping. It is one page, 
>>>>> easy to complete, and better to have it and not need it than need 
>>>>> it and not have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is most likely going to keep coming up for anyone who has to 
>>>>> have an APHIS import permit and certificate of treatment, because 
>>>>> ethanol and SDS are probably the most commonly used of the 
>>>>> approved treatment methods. So the CBP agricultural specialist 
>>>>> reads your certificate of treatment and then sees that you have a 
>>>>> TSCA-listed substance and requires this form. But even if you 
>>>>> don't need an APHIS import and certificate of treatment, it makes 
>>>>> sense to include this form with your hand-carries and shipped imports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure you don't think the OC is worth $20 to you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ellen
>>>>>
>>>>> Ellen Paul
>>>>> Ellen Paul
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> Ornithological Council <https://birdnet.org/>
>>>>> Phone (301) 986 8568
>>>>> Providing Scientific Information about Birds
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> -- 
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>> 81247 München
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>> ---------
>>
>> Dirk Neumann
>>
>> Tel: +49-89-8107-111
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>> postal address:
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>> Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
>> Muenchhausenstr. 21
>> 81247 Munich (Germany)
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