[Nhcoll-l] photo vouchering and tissues questions
Dirk Neumann
dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de
Mon May 7 08:10:02 EDT 2018
Apologies to bring this up again,
the barcoding community uses photo vouchers (of material deposited
elsewhere in collections) frequently and they have a procedure for this
(also clarifying the question on the rights on the photos), but I can't
find the exact source for this. Some details can be found here:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lepbarcoding.org_specimen-5Fsubmission.php&d=DwIDaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=LpYc_Z_iN1KRw0hheb3x6-8MJUMu482qfHowpGYJqwc&m=2zspToYel8SfIuDEdoi-zYYvBJ9g14ionvexnAuiT8o&s=1-iZvw1rCKOu_LvdrZL-BpsDho_evlyHaIt2c9ug08E&e=
Might help - all the best
Dirk
Am 02.05.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Yes, our Deed of Gift was not developed with digital products in mind
> and we have been meaning to update it with such verbiage for some
> time. Maybe this will give me the kick I need J
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
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> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
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> *From:*Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of
> *Dean Pentcheff
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 4:20 PM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] photo vouchering and tissues questions
>
> As far as I can see, the KU Deed of Gift applies to objects, not
> intellectual property (like photographs). But, as they say, I am
> (definitely!) not a lawyer, so...
>
> And yes, we'd definitely track the photographer's name (similarly to
> the collector's name) as a piece of information independent from who
> holds what rights to the image.
>
> Side issue... the Creative department here, a few years ago, got so
> tangled/fed up with/exasperated regarding which rights we had to which
> images (not collection/specimen images, but things like a picture of
> the Museum building) they they have pretty much given up accepting any
> images other than those for which we have full copyright. In effect,
> that means no photos from anyone other than a photographer paid by the
> Museum.
>
>
> -Dean
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> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:25 PM Gregory Schneider <ges at umich.edu
> <mailto:ges at umich.edu>> wrote:
>
> I thought that was what Andy's (KU's) Deed of Gift accomplishes.
> We do the same at UMMZ, Herpetology. I would not accession /
> catalogue photo vouchers unless the photographer signs over their
> rights to the Regents of the University of Michigan. (But our
> database still lists them as the photographer.)
>
>
> Greg Schneider
> Division of Reptiles and Amphibians
>
> Museum of Zoology
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> Research Museums Center
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> 3600 Varsity Drive
> University of Michigan
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> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Dean Pentcheff
> <pentcheff at gmail.com <mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> An issue with photo vouchers (as distinct from physical
> specimens) would be the copyright status of the image — unlike
> a specimen or tissue, it is legally considered to be a
> creative product. If the image was taken by someone as part of
> their paid job, the copyright most likely belongs to their
> employer. If it was taken by someone acting privately, outside
> of their job, then the individual most likely has copyright
> over the image. (This applies to U.S. copyright law; I don't
> know the details outside of the U.S.)
>
> If an image is going to be deposited with the museum, I'd
> strongly recommend getting a formal copyright transfer to the
> museum. It could be a complete transfer (analogous to donating
> a specimen), where the museum now has full copyright control,
> or an arrangement that the museum gets the right to perpetual
> non-exclusive use of the image for any purpose. Your museum
> counsel should be able to draft a release form (and I'd
> definitely recommend having a lawyer do this — intellectual
> property law is not straightforward).
>
>
> -Dean
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> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:20 AM Kirsten Nicholson
> <norops at gmail.com <mailto:norops at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Our museum is revising its policies and I'm looking for
> information on two points.
>
> *First: can anybody share with me their policies on
> accepting photos as vouchers for specimens if you do
> this?* I have trolled the web for policies on this, but
> haven't been able to pull any up. I know that in the realm
> of herpetology we sometimes publish short notes on
> geographic range extensions or natural history
> observations that include photos confirming the species ID
> (and associated data) in instances where you can't or are
> unable to capture and or make that specimen a museum
> voucher. But what are your policies on this?
>
> *Second: does anybody make requirements regarding credit
> attribution to the collector when specimens or tissues are
> used in publication? *I've trolled through tissue policies
> from several museums, and they are all pretty similar, but
> did not see this in them and was curious. I know many
> years ago when museums began establishing genetic tissue
> collections there were some issues that came up regarding
> the use of large numbers of tissues collected by someone
> else and then publishing that data without crediting the
> collector, who in one case happened to still be very much
> alive. The counter-argument at the time was likening the
> tissues to voucher specimens, no one puts Cope or Agassizi
> as co-authors of their papers even if they used nothing
> but and only specimens collected by them. I assume most
> museums' policies state that tissues, like specimens, are
> donated to the museum and become museum property and all
> rights to them (unless otherwise negotiated) are
> relinquished by the collector. Does anybody do anything
> differently?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts you can share,
>
> Kirsten
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