[Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
Dirk Neumann
neumann at snsb.de
Thu Aug 8 16:13:43 EDT 2019
don't want to fuel this too much
regarding costs, it might be worth to consider long term costs as well,
such as replacement costs, increased (?) monitoring / staff time,
alcohol costs to compensate evaporation losses etc.; have no experience
with these polycarbonate costs, but European collections currently have
to cope with the end of the life span of famous Copenhagen jars, and
even though they have been a cost efficient alternative, the costs to
replace them turn out to be exorbitant. What would be relevant to figure
out which jars can be produced locally (instead of shipping them round
the globe).
Shelving tall jars vs. specimens in tanks: both have advantages and
disadvantages, and tanks usually require specific areas and rarely can
be accommodated in normal storage rooms.
Safety: these huge polycarbonate containers will surely be damaged if
they slip off shelves during an earthquake and hit the ground; in this
case, it would be more reasonable to opt for the UN-rated drums, because
their chemical and physical endurance has been tested and is guaranteed
- which is not the case for food containers.
Best wishes
Dirk
Am 08.08.2019 um 20:51 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Numerous reasons:
>
> 1.Shipping cost for us would be exorbitant
>
> 2.Shelving – we do not have spaces that can accommodate such large
> (tall) jars
>
> 3.Safety – I can only imagine how unstable one of those would be in
> pour part of the world.
>
> We mainly use stainless steel tanks for long term storage of large
> specimens.
>
> Andy
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> *From:*Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of
> *Dirk Neumann
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:44 PM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
> ... just out of curiosity:
>
> the largest polycarbonate container, item 107-1222, 14,78'' x 15''
> (roughly 37 x 38 cm ) costs 328.90 U$ (293,45 EUR). The borosilicate
> jar I recently purchased to accommodate our new black-tip reef shark
> measures 120 cm x 20 cm (approx. 47'' x 7,90'') and costs 291,00 EUR.
>
> Apparently the polycarbonate containers are more expensive then high
> quality borosilicate jars. Why not preferring borosilicate ?
>
> All the best
>
> Dirk
>
> Am 08.08.2019 um 17:03 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Tonya
>
> Our herpetology collection has been experimenting with these in
> the collection for short to medium term storage. They seal fairly
> well, are relatively inexpensive (and light to ship) and have the
> added benefit of being clear so that you can see contents and
> fluid levels. They come in various sizes and tack fairly well:
>
> https://www.universityproducts.com/polycarbonate-storage-pails-for-wet-collections.html
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> Hope that helps
>
> Andy
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> Dyche Hall
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>
> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Haff,
> Tonya (NCMI, Crace)
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:47 AM
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> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need to order some buckets for storing larger fluid-preserved
> specimens in. Eventually we would like to go to stainless steel
> containers, but right now that’s not an option…. Anyway, I am
> wondering if polypropylene buckets are acceptable in terms of
> archival quality (I realise they will eventually fail) and if not,
> if anyone has a better recommendation for a relatively cheap
> solution?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Tonya
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