[Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens

Watkins-Colwell, Gregory gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu
Tue Aug 13 14:47:56 EDT 2019 

I use the mesh bag system here and connect a “jar label” to the bag to facilitate finding the right bag when needed.  The added benefit is that the bag itself can help keep things moist if the fluid level should ever fall below a specimen (which shouldn’t happen, but COULD).  It’s not quite the same as wrapping it in cheese cloth, but it has a similar effect (short term) in emergency.

Greg


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I concur with the excellent suggestions and comments from Tom and Andy. I have seen Tom's system using the polyethyene sleeves--it works very well.

If you have large specimens in tanks, you can put them in nylon mesh bags to keep the separated--the mesh will still allow the preservative to circulate around the specimens, and you can easily see which specimens are in the bags.

--John

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:17 PM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Nathalie

I agree with Tom.  Unless you have any desires to remove DNA from any of the specimens post preservation then there is no worry with “sharing” preservative.  Here at KU we use the stainless steel tanks and do not label specimens.  Instead we just tie a tag to the specimen with the catalog number (and tissue number if appropriate).  We try not to overfill tanks (more than about 75%) to avoid overcrowding and damage to specimens through compression.  I also think that Tom’s bag technique could be used to keep multiple parts of specimens together or lots of specimens as in fishes.

Andy
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens

A tangent on this topic…
For the first time, we recently purchased stainless steel tanks for the storage of several large specimens. To optimize space and cost, we would like to store several specimens (not necessarily of the same taxa) per tank. The questions that we’re struggling with are:

-          Should we be concerned with several specimens “sharing” preservative? If so, how can we isolate them from one another?

-          Should we be concerned about compression? If so, how do we prevent it?

-          Some specimens are fragile, with loose parts, how do we protect them and keep everything together, including labels?
Thanks for your sharing your expertise and experience!
Nathalie

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens

Numerous reasons:


1.       Shipping cost for us would be exorbitant

2.       Shelving – we do not have spaces that can accommodate such large (tall) jars

3.       Safety – I can only imagine how unstable one of those would be in pour part of the world.

We mainly use stainless steel tanks for long term storage of large specimens.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens

... just out of curiosity:

the largest polycarbonate container, item 107-1222, 14,78'' x 15'' (roughly 37 x 38 cm ) costs 328.90 U$ (293,45 EUR). The borosilicate jar I recently purchased to accommodate our new black-tip reef shark measures 120 cm x 20 cm (approx. 47'' x 7,90'') and costs 291,00 EUR.

Apparently the polycarbonate containers are more expensive then high quality borosilicate jars. Why not preferring borosilicate ?

All the best
Dirk



Am 08.08.2019 um 17:03 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
Tonya

Our herpetology collection has been experimenting with these in the collection for short to medium term storage.  They seal fairly well, are relatively inexpensive (and light to ship) and have the added benefit of being clear so that you can see contents and fluid levels.  They come in various sizes and tack fairly well:

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Hope that helps

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu><mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens

Hi all,

I need to order some buckets for storing larger fluid-preserved specimens in. Eventually we would like to go to stainless steel containers, but right now that’s not an option…. Anyway, I am wondering if polypropylene buckets are acceptable in terms of archival quality (I realise they will eventually fail) and if not, if anyone has a better recommendation for a relatively cheap solution?

Thanks!

Tonya



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