[Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
John E Simmons
simmons.johne at gmail.com
Tue Aug 13 15:36:36 EDT 2019
Greg, what material are your mesh bags made of?
Thanks,
John E. Simmons
Writer and Museum Consultant
Museologica
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Associate Curator of Collections
Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
Penn State University
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Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:48 PM Watkins-Colwell, Gregory <
gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu> wrote:
> I use the mesh bag system here and connect a “jar label” to the bag to
> facilitate finding the right bag when needed. The added benefit is that
> the bag itself can help keep things moist if the fluid level should ever
> fall below a specimen (which shouldn’t happen, but COULD). It’s not quite
> the same as wrapping it in cheese cloth, but it has a similar effect (short
> term) in emergency.
>
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> Greg
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *John
> E Simmons
> *Sent:* 13 August, 2019 1:48 PM
> *To:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
>
>
> I concur with the excellent suggestions and comments from Tom and Andy. I
> have seen Tom's system using the polyethyene sleeves--it works very well.
>
>
>
> If you have large specimens in tanks, you can put them in nylon mesh bags
> to keep the separated--the mesh will still allow the preservative to
> circulate around the specimens, and you can easily see which specimens are
> in the bags.
>
>
>
> --John
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>
> John E. Simmons
> Writer and Museum Consultant
>
> Museologica
> *and*
> Associate Curator of Collections
> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
> Penn State University
> *and*
> Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
> Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
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>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:17 PM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Nathalie
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>
>
> I agree with Tom. Unless you have any desires to remove DNA from any of
> the specimens post preservation then there is no worry with “sharing”
> preservative. Here at KU we use the stainless steel tanks and do not label
> specimens. Instead we just tie a tag to the specimen with the catalog
> number (and tissue number if appropriate). We try not to overfill tanks
> (more than about 75%) to avoid overcrowding and damage to specimens through
> compression. I also think that Tom’s bag technique could be used to keep
> multiple parts of specimens together or lots of specimens as in fishes.
>
>
>
> Andy
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> V V V
> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *DjanChekar,
> Nathalie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:41 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
>
>
> A tangent on this topic…
>
> For the first time, we recently purchased stainless steel tanks for the
> storage of several large specimens. To optimize space and cost, we would
> like to store several specimens (not necessarily of the same taxa) per
> tank. The questions that we’re struggling with are:
>
> - Should we be concerned with several specimens “sharing”
> preservative? If so, how can we isolate them from one another?
>
> - Should we be concerned about compression? If so, how do we
> prevent it?
>
> - Some specimens are fragile, with loose parts, how do we
> protect them and keep everything together, including labels?
>
> Thanks for your sharing your expertise and experience!
>
> Nathalie
>
>
>
> *Nathalie Djan-Chékar* - Natural History Collections Manager
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Bentley, Andrew
> Charles
> *Sent:* August-08-19 4:22 PM
> *To:* neumann at snsb.de; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
>
>
> Numerous reasons:
>
>
>
> 1. Shipping cost for us would be exorbitant
>
> 2. Shelving – we do not have spaces that can accommodate such large
> (tall) jars
>
> 3. Safety – I can only imagine how unstable one of those would be
> in pour part of the world.
>
>
>
> We mainly use stainless steel tanks for long term storage of large
> specimens.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> A : A : A :
> }<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°>
> V V V
> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
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> A : A : A :
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Dirk
> Neumann
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:44 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens
>
>
>
> ... just out of curiosity:
>
>
>
> the largest polycarbonate container, item 107-1222, 14,78'' x 15''
> (roughly 37 x 38 cm ) costs 328.90 U$ (293,45 EUR). The borosilicate jar I
> recently purchased to accommodate our new black-tip reef shark measures 120
> cm x 20 cm (approx. 47'' x 7,90'') and costs 291,00 EUR.
>
>
>
> Apparently the polycarbonate containers are more expensive then high
> quality borosilicate jars. Why not preferring borosilicate ?
>
>
>
> All the best
>
> Dirk
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> Am 08.08.2019 um 17:03 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> Tonya
>
>
>
> Our herpetology collection has been experimenting with these in the
> collection for short to medium term storage. They seal fairly well, are
> relatively inexpensive (and light to ship) and have the added benefit of
> being clear so that you can see contents and fluid levels. They come in
> various sizes and tack fairly well:
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> https://www.universityproducts.com/polycarbonate-storage-pails-for-wet-collections.html
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> Hope that helps
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>
> Andy
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> A : A : A :
> }<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°>
> V V V
> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
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> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>
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>
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>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I need to order some buckets for storing larger fluid-preserved specimens
> in. Eventually we would like to go to stainless steel containers, but right
> now that’s not an option…. Anyway, I am wondering if polypropylene buckets
> are acceptable in terms of archival quality (I realise they will eventually
> fail) and if not, if anyone has a better recommendation for a relatively
> cheap solution?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Tonya
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