[Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession?

Fri Feb 23 13:00:22 EST 2024

Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians
classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions
require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for
Collections Managers, at least not yet.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54 AM Dirk Neumann <d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>
wrote:

> aha - more details to answer the question.
> Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany:
>
> A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level
> then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters
> degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which
> often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that
> would lift them onto a higher payment level.
>
> The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an
> BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8.
> A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at
> E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession
> is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university.
>
> Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such
> education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and
> here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something
> different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify
> as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt
> does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case?
>
> With best wishes
> Dirk
>
>
> Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul:
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> Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus.
> For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur."
> That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or
> professional carpenters.
>
> The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about
> creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the
> requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual
> institutions that it's impossible to  say whether this is something that
> someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could
> aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or
> "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same
> demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM
> paid like being a doctor or lawyer...
>
> *Paul Callomon*
> *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates*
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> External.
> On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote:
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>
>    - Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the
>    difference?
>
> I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a
> trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer
> discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted,
> I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years
> as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said
> that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what
> distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and
> profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade
> if it is not a source of income.
>
>
> I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that
> particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word
> "professional".
>
>
> Peace.
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