[yul-naco] FW: RDA for this author?

[Arakawa, Steven]

Some upcoming changes to RDA recently approved by JSC that increase the scope of qualifiers.

Steven Arakawa 
Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation
Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University
P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240  
(203)432-8286 steven.arakawa at yale.edu

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:05 AM
To: PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV
Subject: Re: RDA for this author?

Adam

I agree with all of what you say. A couple of comments:

JSC have approved RDA change proposal 6JSC/LC/14, to clarify recording date spans. This includes the following:

Add a new paragraph at the end of 9.3.1.3:
Record a period of activity expressed as a range of centuries in the form [century]-[century].
EXAMPLE
13th century-14th century

So, rather than record "$c active 19th/20th century", we will record "$c active 19th century-20th century". This revised text is unlikely to appear in RDA before April 2013, but I'm inclined to follow it immediately (much as NACO uses "active" in preference to the RDA text's "flourished"). It's not very informative for this chap, though.

"Editor at Ward, Lock & Co." is an interesting suggestion, as "Ward, Lock & Co." is an Affiliation, and Affiliations are not currently allowed as aditions to names, in access points. I see no reason why they should not be; in a linked-data, post-MARC world, all RDA attributes of a person will play a part in identification, so there can be no principled objection to including them, when appropriate, in the access points that we still currently need. This will, however, require a further RDA change proposal.


List members may already be aware that JSC also approved RDA change proposals 6JSC/BL/3 and 6JSC/BL/4 (with revisions), so we will shortly be able to qualify personal names with other terms indicative of rank, honour or office (Captain, Reverend, Sir, etc.), and other appropriate designations (Gentleman, Defendant, etc.) 

Regards
Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
Sent: 15 November 2012 08:29
To: PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] RDA for this author?

Ted,

The only options currently in RDA for breaking conflicts with personal names are to add one or more of the following:

1) dates of birth and/or death (9.19.1.3)
2) fuller form of name (9.19.1.4)
3) period of activity (9.19.1.5)
4) profession or occupation (9.19.1.6)

For your person I think your only choices are 3) or 4).

I'm guessing that the M.B. stands for Medicinae Baccalaureus (Bachelor of Medicine).  Most of his books seem to be about health/first aid.  Not everything associated with him was published by Ward, Lock & Co.

So perhaps:

$c active 19th/20th century

or

$c (Health writer)

or

$c (Health advisor)

or

$c (Medical writer)

or some other type of formulation that gets at the subjects of his books.

I agree (Editor), while allowable, is probably not a great indication of a profession, although if he were on the staff of the publisher as an editor, it might work.  Or maybe one could stretch occupation a bit to add the employer?:

$c (Editor at Ward, Lock & Co.)

Adam

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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted P Gemberling wrote:

> I am finishing up the RDA NACO training modules. I'm not certified on 
> RDA yet. I need to create a personal name heading for a person who 
> edited books for Ward, Lock and Co. in Edinburgh, from sometime in the

> 1880's to sometime in the early 20th century. I say "sometime in the 
> 1880's" because the unfortunate thing is that Ward, Lock and Co. had 
> the bad habit of not putting dates on their books during that decade.
> So it's difficult to determine just when his editorial work started. 
> His name was George Black, and the title pages often have this usage:
> "George Black, M.B. Edin." That addition, or a variation on it, has 
> been used by a lot of catalogers. He also authored, for that company, 
> the book "The young wife's advice book."
>
> Today I thought it might be useful to ponder how RDA would mandate 
> setting up the heading. My understanding that M.B. Edin. would not be 
> permitted in a subfield c. Dates don't seem to be very useful for this

> heading. I don't know if any occupational terms or "field of activity"
> terms are very useful. (Editor) would seem awfully general, though I 
> suppose it could break a conflict. Also, he wasn't strictly an editor 
> since he also authored that book and one other. Is a subfield c like 
> "Author of The young wife's advice book" still allowable?
>
> Thanks,
> Ted Gemberling
> UAB Lister Hill Library
> (205)934-2461
>
>
>

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