[Nhcoll-l] E.R Wagner: Insect collector

Mon Dec 14 16:25:17 EST 2015

There is a massive online list of biographical information on shell collectors – see
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__malacological.org_2004-5Fmalacology.html&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=nZjfr5ws7ZQS8uNk7sDNT8PisSvuryfKO9wJhpSW8FA&e= 

PC

Paul Callomon
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From: nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Eli Wyman
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 4:21 PM
To: Shippee, Jodi
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] E.R Wagner: Insect collector

While it would certainly be handy to have a database with a comprehensive list of collectors across taxa, sortable by geographic region and be able to delimit it by years they were known to be active, I have never heard of such a thing. As you pointed out, for those who have never been published it would be especially difficult to track them down in the first place. Knowing anything of their life histories will be nearly impossible in any case, but increasingly so as the traditional taxonomist (aka person buried in the collection drawers and reprints) becomes rarer and rarer. So many people (myself included) often collect well outside of their taxa of greatest interest, lending our names to specimens which it would be hard to make an obvious connection with. Look at old E.R. Wagner, who was an archaeologist. I doubt I would have felt as confident as I did in saying it was him if his wiki page didn't explicitly say he was also passionate about entomology.
Eli

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Shippee, Jodi <Jodi.Shippee at vermont.gov<mailto:Jodi.Shippee at vermont.gov>> wrote:
Whenever a question like this comes up I wonder, isn’t there a shared database of collector biographical data? Even in Wikipedia (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Category-3ANatural-5Fhistory-5Fcollectors&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=Ar-rTOdTv2B3pekYumShNmjEGI9IzhzifboAeIN7_YQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Category-3ANatural-5Fhistory-5Fcollectors&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=fbKSsuF19BrG00x8WyfF1tUNJE9L6NWix71pX3MJnaU&s=HItwwB2g12b6PLoTHCQttcsAZc96-6y5Sy1WwJ24BDo&e=> or https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Category-3AZoological-5Fcollectors&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=fgzgWvlPnWNAPG47tP1CKlOkOGC7w9NQlzMap-VGBCo&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Category-3AZoological-5Fcollectors&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=fbKSsuF19BrG00x8WyfF1tUNJE9L6NWix71pX3MJnaU&s=VWTvv67XvcYck9Km4qvG8-bZY8pTyQMLhv_Jgj4QDI4&e=>)?

By the way, Emilio Roger Wagner is in VIAF (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__viaf.org_viaf_23557943_-23skos-3AConcept&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=gQfBoMXHOMwGwQnyux55qEeYr0EZv7EYzjkr3JI5MaQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__viaf.org_viaf_23557943_-23skos-3AConcept&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=fbKSsuF19BrG00x8WyfF1tUNJE9L6NWix71pX3MJnaU&s=xJTV23hKsMfhitQ_5783uq5vUE6Gf2O--rrkv1pjf8c&e=>) (via Library of Congress Authority file https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__id.loc.gov_authorities_names_n84239804.html&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=008N3cGp0TBvVxAPiMhf67FrrKsZzrHkrOtI2BUOugo&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__id.loc.gov_authorities_names_n84239804.html&d=AwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=fbKSsuF19BrG00x8WyfF1tUNJE9L6NWix71pX3MJnaU&s=aT5B0FW6EbfM95bBfIeRETGmjH8jeb_ldnGwG1n9koc&e=>, and others) but I wouldn’t guess it’s a reliable source of this information unless the person has either published or been the subject of a publication, which would leave many collectors out.

Anyone here involved in such efforts?

Ever wondering,
Jodi Shippee

From: nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] On Behalf Of Eli Wyman
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Hi,
  E.R. Wagner is almost certainly Emilio Roger Wagner, who was an Argentinian archaeologist, who also had a passion for entomology.  He was active in that period and died in 1949. Here is a wiki on him and his brother Duncan.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__es.wikipedia.org_wiki_Emilio-5Fy-5FDuncan-5FWagner&d=AwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=LfZEdOivO4WgHWxL1GEJjfGt7W9lIlT3k9wUzaRYgWc&s=t-JoiCEyqcL_qTAF1MZfzI-WcBoZeYaa7SZnIVrRplU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__es.wikipedia.org_wiki_Emilio-5Fy-5FDuncan-5FWagner&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=4VUJyfc-BwqeQic36EN6cQRo8n_uBdsthvYkYEnfGb4&s=OB2oM_i6_mwuWi6WWdRGqKmDyZu-E_C8WL2ug_cbCvw&e=>
Cheers,
Eli Wyman

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Christopher Kemp <cjkemp at gmail.com<mailto:cjkemp at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Friends,
I'm looking at a paper about a beautiful species of large fly just described: Gauromydas papavero. A great species with a long shelf life. It was first collected in Argentina in 1930-something by a collector called E.R. Wagner. I've searched for him and he's collected an awful lot of stuff, 1903, 1911, active for decades in South America. But I don't have any biographical information at all. Don't know what E or R stand for, or where he was from, or when he died. Anything, folks?
--ck

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